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The spotlight changes...
« on: August 25, 2006, 06:36:28 am »
Well, it started with a comment on our front page and thanks to the teachers who answered the quest for information, a reporter was able to go into an interview informed enough to ask the right questions. BCC admitted to John Karr working more than a two week trial period and have given us a totally believable and plausible story. Thanks go to BCC for setting the record straight. Unfortunately the spotlight now falls on St. Joseph's and New Sathorn International School.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4937376,00.html

Educator thought of Karr as 'normal'
Suspect was let go after brief tenure as Bangkok teacher
Photos by Todd Heisler © News

By Ann Imse, Rocky Mountain News
August 23, 2006
BANGKOK, Thailand - The assistant director of a large private school for boys in Bangkok said John Mark Karr was articulate and "seemed just normal" during the month that he taught rambunctious first- and second-graders at the school this spring.

Banchong Chompoowong sat in his quiet, book-filled office Tuesday afternoon and mused about his former and now notorious colleague, while hundreds of Thai schoolboys scrambled about the soccer field outside and gathered around food carts on the urban streets beyond the school gates.

The school, founded in 1852 by missionaries, now has 5,500 students in kindergarten through 12th grade in several tall buildings in downtown Bangkok.

Karr, suspected of sexually assaulting and killing 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, was never accused of wrongdoing during his time at Bangkok Christian College, Chompoowong said.

Ironically, Chompoowong was working on his doctorate in the United States at the time of JonBenet's death and he remembers being upset by the child's murder. He said he was shocked to learn that Karr had been arrested for the crime but that he's withholding judgment about Karr's potential guilt.

Chompoowong also expressed doubt about reports that Karr was starting a sex-change procedure.

One local doctor has said that at the time Karr was teaching in May and June he was undergoing four treatments each month to have the roots of some of his facial hair burned away by laser.

The doctor said Karr told him he chose the procedure because he was beginning to take medications for a sex change. Chompoowong said there were no physical signs of it.

'A good teacher but tough'

Records and interviews make clear that Karr kept busy during his 10 months in Thailand, moving from one teaching job to another in the country's extensive network of private schools with English language instruction. And although most of those schools are not religious, all three of his jobs were in Catholic and Christian institutions.

The schools where Karr found work were in a second tier of quality among international schools providing English-immersion lessons, according to other foreign teachers working in Bangkok. The second- tier schools are less careful about checking qualifications of native English speakers and ensuring they have Thai teachers' licenses, work permits and valid visas, teachers said.

On paper, Karr would have been a very attractive candidate, with a U.S. education degree and teaching experience. Some Thai schools desperate for English teachers who are native speakers hire people without any teaching qualifications, the teachers said.

Although all of Karr's movements have not been traced, he made his first visit to Thailand by air, arriving Oct. 27, 2005, and departing Nov. 24, according to immigration records.

He returned Dec. 16 and stayed. He made day trips outside the country to renew his visa.

But he remained a resident of Thailand until he was deported Sunday.

Karr worked at St. Joseph Convent School in the late winter and used it as a reference when he applied to Bangkok Christian, Chompoowong said. When Bangkok Christian checked that reference, Chompoowong said St. Joseph described Karr as "a good teacher but tough."

Officials at St. Joseph have refused to comment, and it is unclear how long Karr worked there.

Chompoowong said he believes Karr finished the winter term at St. Joseph at the end of March, and then moved to his new position at Bangkok Christian after the April vacation.

Karr didn't pass probation

Chompoowong said he did not check Karr's earlier references from other countries. But Karr presented a copy of his college degree and transcript. Chompoowong would not look up the college, but a job application posted online dated in March shows Karr claims to have graduated magna cum laude from Regents College in Albany, N.Y.

Regents College confirmed Tuesday that Karr had participated in one of its study programs via e-mail or mail.

Karr's first day of teaching at Bangkok Christian was May 9, the first day of the spring term. He was paid 46,000 baht or about $1,300 per month, which the assistant director said was a very good salary.

It turned out that "he was very strict. Some parents complained," Chompoowong said. But the assistant director said, "I didn't see anything wrong with that."

Karr's students were transitioning from kindergarten to first grade and needed to learn to settle down, he said. "They could not run around while he was teaching. He asked them to sit down and concentrate.

"He has to be firm for these hyperactive children," Chompoowong said. "But, of course, the hyperactive children come from hyperactive mummies. It's amazing to see how children grow up today."

And Bangkok Christian had to listen to parents' complaints, he said. So the school informed Karr that he had not made it through probation. The dismissal came shortly after Karr made a visa run June 5 and 6 to Malaysia and switched from a tourist visa to one that would allow him to obtain a work permit to continue teaching, Chompoowong said.

Karr took the dismissal well, Chompoowong said. "When we interviewed him, that was the agreement - that sometimes it doesn't work."

Arrest at start of fall term

According to the Association of International Schools in Thailand, top-tier schools recruit overseas for the best foreign teachers, check their references, and then apply for a Thai teacher's license and work permit on the employee's behalf well before he or she arrives in the country.

Chompoowong said Bangkok Christian began the legal process after Karr began teaching, and dropped it when he was let go.

But Karr evidently found his next job at a school that did sponsor him for a teaching license, which was issued Aug. 1. Officials at the Ministry of Education refused to reveal the name of the school.

However, local media have identified it as New Sathorn International School.

On Aug. 15 - the first day of fall term at New Sathorn - Karr was to start work as a second-grade teacher in Bangkok, according to Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy.

School officials declined to comment about any Karr connection.

The next day, Thai police arrested Karr in his scruffy, tiny room at the Blooms guesthouse, in a quiet apartment district not far from New Sathorn.


Offline Thai Me Up

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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2006, 11:05:20 am »
I must be dense.  I read the chronology of Karr's brief stay at BCC.  What crimes did Karr commit at BCC or at any other school in Thailand for that matter?  There is something about all this conjecture that is upsetting, and that is there are no facts that Karr did anything illegal in Thailand.  Further, he is only a suspect in a 10 year-old murder investigation, and maybe just some crackpot seeking attention at that.

While everyone wrings their hands over protecting Thai children from us White Devil foreign teachers, the fox is already minding the hen house.  Every day, Thai suspects are beaten, brutalized and assaulted by Thai teachers IN PLAIN SIGHT.

I'd like to see any Thai teacher go to one of the inner city American high schools where I've worked and try swinging their canes and rods.  My students would turn these Thai teachers into popsicles.

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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2006, 11:43:36 am »
Thai Me Up, you certainly aren't dense... Karr has not committed an offense in Thailand and even though he has admitted being involved in something, he still has not been charged with anything, as far as I know.

Therefore I would like to know on what grounds was he extadited from TH to US. what is the charge?

As per usual IMO the Thai criminal justice system jumps when it's paymaster calls, somewaht like being fucked up the arse. ;) Nothing mysterious there for TH... another American puppet in S.E. Asia.

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2006, 12:08:01 pm »
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Therefore I would like to know on what grounds was he extadited from TH to US. what is the charge?

Probably on the grounds that he made a confession on live TV.  Sure, you may feel that his confession was full of holes, but it didn't appear to have been beaten out of him!  The words clearly came out of his mouth, he may be nuts but I don't think those words were written for him!

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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2006, 01:08:35 pm »
He was never extradited, he was deported. Basically the Thai government cancelled his visa because of an outstanding warrant, the US government revoked his passport. He voluntarily returned to the US.

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2006, 02:32:02 pm »
Mods,

Thanks for clarifying, a simple deportation that could actually happen to anyone, really. However, I guess it doesn't help when you admit to something, you did or did not do.

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2006, 03:14:45 pm »
From what I know his visa was cancelled as he was considered an undiresable, he was asked to return to the US, but at no stage was he under arrest. From what I remember reading this is something to do with how legal proceeding may go in the future, i.e. if he told the feds (or whoever they were) something on the plane that could be used against him in court it cannot be claimed it was a forced confession under arrest...........I think!

 He was banged up when he arrived in the states for some outstanding child pornograhpy picture charge, going back to 2000 or 2001.

The warrant served for his arrest relating to his confession was issued yesterday, i think, and it is for first degree murder.

Rather than trying to follow my ramblings it may be easier just to visit CNN or such like.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2006, 04:14:58 pm by anyonefortennis »

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2006, 03:21:08 pm »
Much more interesting following ramblings... {^^

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2007, 01:11:58 pm »
And in the end he had nothing to do with the girl in Colo.  All he managed to accomplish is to give us teachers a really hard time.

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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2007, 10:46:14 am »
Whilst we do not need to remember the details about that crazy man, it is helpful to be reminded that Karr committed no known crime in Thailand.  He was no success as a teacher, he was not as qualified as most people thought he was (but he did have a BA), and he never even did well as a supply teacher.

The entire incident, however, worked on the mass psyche of Thailand, which 'lost face' for having the man in the country.  Since he had been a sometimes teacher, it bare-assed the educational establishment, which then had to start pretending to tighten up its requirements.  I think now that the changes in the 30 day entry-stamp-without a visa were almost coincidental.  The powers that be decided to start controlling its borders.

And those police checks.  Are they the result of the bare-ass-ment related to John Mark Karr?  Police checks are another great idea in theory, but they are impossible for the Thais to enforce in practice.

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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2007, 01:01:59 pm »
bomha,
Thank you for the reminder that Karr was not arrested for or convicted of ANY crime in Thailand.  Currently, he is "on the run" from child porno charges filed in Sonoma County, California, but he has not as yet been convicted of any of these charges either, owing to the bungling of the Sonoma DA who lost the computer hard drive evidence containing the alleged illegal photos.

As for the background checks, I paid $12 to my local police department for a clearance letter in the event I return to LOS to teach.  Also, I've been fingerprinted and applied to the FBI for their clearance form that must satisfy even Thailand's newest teacher visa requirements.  But what about all the teachers needed in the next 2-4 weeks?  Do you think they'll be traveling with their 1) original BA diplomas, 2) non-immigrant B visas, 3) police clearance letters?  I don't.  So do the Thais again lose face, as you claim they did with Karr is the country, and reverse all these visa requirements to staff their classrooms?

On a related note, do you think that the US should deport all South Koreans since one of "them" went on a rampage and killed 32 students and staff at Virginia Tech?   :usa:

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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2007, 07:22:31 pm »
Well, they can silently change the rules, or not change the rules, just enforce 'em differently, anything like that, man. It'll work. 

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2007, 09:48:26 pm »
bomha,
[delete portion]  But what about all the teachers needed in the next 2-4 weeks?  Do you think they'll be traveling with their 1) original BA diplomas, 2) non-immigrant B visas, 3) police clearance letters?  I don't.  So do the Thais again lose face, as you claim they did with Karr is the country, and reverse all these visa requirements to staff their classrooms?

On a related note, do you think that the US should deport all South Koreans since one of "them" went on a rampage and killed 32 students and staff at Virginia Tech?   :usa:
I think they will travel with original BA/BS diplomas, and a larger percentage than normal may have long-term visas.  I doubt many new arrivals will have police clearance letters, but again, more than normal. 

There must be lots of different ways that Thais lose face.  Having a psycho discovered in the country is one.  But even Western countries do not lose face by enforcing their borders and saying to total strangers as they enter, "Getting to know you - getting to know all about you."

I do not think the insane, legal, long-term, student who killed in Virginia has any relation to the chances of native speaking teachers getting hired in Thailand.

I think the chances are slightly greater to get hired if you have that very long list of requirements, for a legal job.  And there is now a huge market of supply and demand for illegal teachers and non-native speakers.

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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2007, 05:25:24 pm »
bomha,
Thank you for the reminder that Karr was not arrested for or convicted of ANY crime in Thailand.  Currently, he is "on the run" from child porno charges filed in Sonoma County, California, but he has not as yet been convicted of any of these charges either, owing to the bungling of the Sonoma DA who lost the computer hard drive evidence containing the alleged illegal photos.

As for the background checks, I paid $12 to my local police department for a clearance letter in the event I return to LOS to teach.  Also, I've been fingerprinted and applied to the FBI for their clearance form that must satisfy even Thailand's newest teacher visa requirements.  But what about all the teachers needed in the next 2-4 weeks?  Do you think they'll be traveling with their 1) original BA diplomas, 2) non-immigrant B visas, 3) police clearance letters?  I don't.  So do the Thais again lose face, as you claim they did with Karr is the country, and reverse all these visa requirements to staff their classrooms?

On a related note, do you think that the US should deport all South Koreans since one of "them" went on a rampage and killed 32 students and staff at Virginia Tech?   :usa:

You are wrong.

Charges against Karr were dismissed:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/05/national/main2065264.shtml
« Last Edit: April 24, 2007, 05:27:34 pm by maichai »

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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2007, 09:53:28 pm »
You're right.  My bad.

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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2007, 11:19:18 pm »
One thing is for sure: this guy has created one cartload of horse manure.  I reckon he's cost me a few thousand bt already.  Was he guilty of anything?...of course- he's a farang in Thailand for starters.


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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2007, 11:43:05 pm »
fortuneguy,
Karr wasn't convicted of anything, nor was he accused of any crime in LOS.  I think your average sex tourist does a lot more nastiness than Karr ever did, but the difference is in the word "tourist."  As long as you leave your money in Thailand as a "tourist," anything goes.

 

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