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Offline hippo

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EMS Agency Don Muang
« on: July 19, 2006, 02:53:48 pm »
Two posters (or possibly the same one!) came onto this site yesterday complaining about the above ageny. The original posting was removed by the moderators for, amongst other things, racial slurs, the first poster used my real first name and tried to pretend that it was me that was writing. I have no axe to grind with EMS, they have treated me fairly. In fact, (Name removed) of EMS is trying to find positions for me.The school in question is SatriWittaya2 - the M5, M6 amd MEP programme. The head of that department made it known to EMS that they wanted to replace me ASAP. She did not like me for some reason and she also complained about another teacher employed by EMS alleging that he touched a Thai teacher in an inappropriate manner. I also have no axe to grind with the school. It is not a perfect school but which school is? There are plenty more jobs out there.
Latest: Phone call from the poster this morning stating that it was not him but 'Peter Ray'! I did not know that he was back on the scene. Names removed by Hippo.

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2006, 10:53:45 am »
Oh my God--Peter Ray back from R.O.C..  There is at least one opening for him at BCC. {b<c>

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2006, 11:06:21 am »
I'm confused.  He (it?) is back from Taiwan?  Has he ever been there?

When I had the misfortune of knowing him at BFITS, he was always asking if he could go to Korea for one week or one month instead of one year.  When he got fired from BFITS, he said he had a job lined up in Korea.

Then, he announced on the old Thai School Watch board that he was going to Taiwan.  (What happened to the job he had in Korea?)

Fast forward.  He gets hired at Sunflower after he gets fired from BFITS.  He gets fired early this year from Sunflower.  He may or may not have been deported.  He said he was going to Taiwan.  Sound familiar?

If he was in Taiwan after BFITS, how could he have been working at Sunflower outside of Bangkok? 

If deported, why go to Taiwan?

I apologize for beating a dead horse, but, this turkey is a menace.  He did the same thing at Sunflower that he did at BFITS (screwing up, annoying co-workers, getting fired abruptly, resigning after having been fired, complaining that the school refused to pay him, threatening the school, demanding severance pay, and announcing that he was going to Taiwan).  Employers, don't be lulled into a false sense of security because somebody says that our favorite extra-terrestial life form is out of the country.

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2007, 04:00:58 pm »
Oh my God--Peter Ray back from R.O.C..  There is at least one opening for him at BCC. {b<c>

Well, if anything, he/it is back from Nepal.  I saw this on Dave's ESL job wanted board:

Teach English in Bangkok Thailand
Peter Ray -- Wednesday, 28 February 2007, at 2:01 a.m.

English
Peter Ray -- Wednesday, 28 February 2007, at 1:59 a.m.

In fairness to Peter (not that he deserves it), here is a link to one of his pages.  Any prospective employer can read about him without at least one former co-worker ranting about what an a**hole he can be.

http://www.sdpride.com/peterray/index.html

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2007, 04:00:04 am »
My husband is an EMS teacher who will not continue in the new semester.

Teachers should stay away from this agency. When it started to function for the first time as an agency last year they hired a guy from New York who had retired from the UN and is also a board member of Literacy Tech Foundation in Washington DC. He designed EMS's presentation package along the lines of a spiraling education curriculum for English as a second language students. He was also trying to make EMS a place where teachers could be proud to work for. He instituted by-monthly workshops and other systems that would make it easy for teachers to function on the classroom floor. However, he soon found out that the owner cared less about standards, ethics, morality and quality and more about money, so this NY coordinator resigned.

         The owner of the EMS has a reputation of fighting with the administrations of the schools for money, as a result of her bad PR; EMS’s teachers became despised by the school's administration.

            Last year she demanded and got 500 baht from each teacher under the guise that all foreign teachers must join the Teachers Association of Thailand and they will receive a teaching license. EMS took the money, issued a receipt but nothing else happened. Further to that, and unknown to the foreign teachers, EMS added a clause in the contract between schools and EMS, stating that the school(s) can't directly hire any of EMS's teachers for a period of 2 years after the contract expires. This means if the foreign teacher did or is doing a good job, and the school would like to directly hire that teacher after his or her contract expires, the school is prevented from doing so.

           EMS pays their teachers after it collects the check from the school and after the check is cleared in the bank, therefore the teachers usually get pay five or ten days into the new month for the previous month. EMS contracts with their teachers states that will be paid for a small amount of sick days provided they produce a doctor's certificate. However, EMS deducts between 1,200 and 1,500 Baht for each sick day (certified or not) from teacher’s salary claiming that EMS had to pay for substitute teachers to cover.

         EMS only has a business license and is not a certified language teaching institution by the ministry of Education and can't by itself obtain work permits for teachers. EMS has to rely on the school(s) to apply for the work permits for its teachers. This usually leaves teachers in suspense or without work permit for three months.
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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2007, 10:32:39 am »
     If I have to say, EMS agency is one of the biggest scams in this county. Last year the ownner lady deducted 500 BHT from each teacher saying it was for a teaching license. After generating about 30,000BHT she produced nothing. All she gave us were receipts but no license. When confronted with this scam she replies that the MOE never got back to her. :curse: :dito:
     Moreover, I had the misfortune to do some side tutorting for her at the center near Don Muang. I privately taught a student for three hours and when pay tyime came she only paid for two! :curse:
    This lady and her husband own the franchise. And she is by all means a "dragon-lady". Her attitude is that she is doing you the favor of finding you employment and you should all "bow-down and kiss her feet!" :o There is nothing more stressfull, than to work for somebody with a superiority-inferiority complex.
    Last school year she fired a friend of mine who was the coordinator for her. She did this simply out of the sheer jealous ego centric complex she carries. My friend was be-friending a new employee (a male) at the time. When the ownner lady found this out, she immediately told my friend to stay away from him. As time went on, the gossip got worse until she fired my friend. Well the ownner lady refused to back pay my friend and her and her husband were taken to labor court and lost(lost face). They immediately had to pay my friend, and now this lady instructs her employees if they talk to my friend she will call the police on them. Is this some crazy control game or what ? :crackwhip:
People...Everybody.....STAY AWAY FROM EMS AGENCY NEAR DON MUANG!! :guns: You have been warned! {2<g> :canada: :usa: :uk:

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2007, 11:46:59 am »
Who is PRay? Is there more than one of it/him? I have been watching threads about this for ages, but I am none the wiser.

Is he an imagined person? How could anyone be as bad as he is painted out to be?

I have been on this board for about 2 yrs but i still don't know who he is...

 ???

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2007, 01:44:31 pm »
He appeared in the old TSW and made quite a splash, trust me, you dont want to know more!

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2007, 03:36:06 pm »
The agency lady may well be telling the truth about the 500Bt - the situation is the same in my/other schools where the money has been sent to the MoE andnothing happened.

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2007, 04:26:07 pm »
I work for one of the "Satit" government schools....we all paid the 500 baht as well and I saw completed TL forms that were supposedly turned in...and have heard nothing as well.

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2007, 07:28:15 pm »
So why are teachers needing to pay anything? Shouldn't the schools be paying the 500 baht?


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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2007, 10:56:58 am »
I believe it was a product of the hype at the time.  Inadvertantly people were conned into thinking that they would be subject to new infinite levels of paperwork requirement if they didn't comply, implicit in the demand for 500Bt was the assurance that existing teachers who played ball had nothing to worry about.

New teachers recruited since that date were not asked for 500Bt.  Those of us that paid have absolutely nothing to show for it.  In short, it was a scam!

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But then we knew that really didn't we?

The official line is that the school are awaiting MoE instruction as to the procedures that foreign teachers will be subjected to in terms of "Thai culture testing" and all that crap that was the talk of the town 6 months ago!!!

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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2007, 07:43:44 pm »
Would anybody out there be able to tell me somethign about this school or agency or whatever it is please?  I would appreciate it very much.  Also Im on the lookout for a teachign job for a filippina friend of mine.  She has native speaker fluency, and a four year university degree.  If anyone could helo I would be grateful

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2007, 09:25:57 am »
Is your friend only interested in teaching in Bangkok?

If she's interested in moving south let me know, there are a few positions down in Phattalung, Nakhorn and Songkhla for Filipina teachers, although if she moves to Songkhla she may have to invest in a tin hat.

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2007, 08:19:35 pm »
This agency is crapped, and stay away from that place. Words from friends, and others. Can't be recommended at all, only to be avoided :curse:

Stay away from EMS Don Muang.

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2007, 08:28:08 pm »
Ah, yes. It is true. 

E.M.S. is a francise of of E.L.T. (English Plus) near Kaset University.

I have not worked there for like a year now, but knowning the owner and the other guy, I can see that this can be possible.  The do advertise in the Bkk Journal with the email address: ems@inbox.com

The owner is a Thai woman the assistant is a black man named Jeffery and he can be seen or viewed as someone who is like a used car salesmen.  Smooth talker, and promises everthing and so on.

So, the above posts might be true.  Don't cast the poster here off so quickly as a fraud.

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2007, 09:27:54 am »
Quote from: chuck_s
E.M.S. is a francise of of E.L.T. (English Plus) near Kaset University.

I believe it is no longer a franchise of ELT.  Most ELT franchisees work out pretty quickly that they are being scammed by the greedy, contemptible K. Manoch and break ranks as soon as possible.

Teachers working for ELT franchises would always be employed by ELT itself and not the franchise directly - at least that was what was expected although I'm sure there were teachers employed on the side by some of the franchisees.

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2007, 03:41:56 pm »
Well, to be honest. I was just up near their business site up at Don Moung. From looking at their sign. They do still possess the "English Plus" logo. Both as a lighted outdoor sign and their office design is the same layout as the E.L.T. near Kaset.

I recommend checking out the Bangkok Post Classified adds for their small add in there.

But, just becareful.

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Re: EMS Agency Don Muang
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2012, 02:28:54 pm »
I know one person(From a while ago) who was was owed money by this "lady" boss and was told that he could go to the Labor Court but that she was Thai and he was a foreigner and he would get into trouble. He chickened out, not knowing that the Thai labor court is actually VERY sympathetic to employees of all nationalities and has a very successful clearance rate!
Please if you have problems USE THEM! They do follow the law!

The reason I wrote this today is I have just heard of another guy who has lost 3 months salary. Its a long story but I would recommend keeping well clear of this agency!

You have been warned.

PS: To the webmaster of this site: PLEASE change the 'verification' pictures as they are barely readable, I had to try 7 times before I could write it correctly! I almost gave up signing up!~
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