Yes I think you picked up on the same wavelength as I did with this. I remember one guy at my school used to be the worst in the class at everything. he thought it funny to get the cane. in fact he was proud of the record for the most canings in the school. His fate was sealed and he spent most of his life in jail. As regrds to punishment for Thai students, I would be interested to hear what you all do if they get out of hand and you have to give some kind of punishment.