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Offline Speaksoftly

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2006, 10:42:34 am »
Tainted, thanks for your post, but we already have a discussion topic on Siam International- I've merged your topic into that one.

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2006, 11:07:44 am »
No problem, as long as you give Siam International School the honour of being in The Hall of Shame. {b<c>

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2006, 07:09:04 pm »
Are there ANY good schools out there?  I had the almost exact same experience in Korea and want to avoid it again at all costs!  Admin that knows NOTHING about education and only about money.  Parents who come yell at you because their kid can't read as well as another kid in your class.  Parents who threaten to take out their kid if results aren't accomplished.  I love teaching, I'm a certified teacher, but I just want a little support, just a little!  I'm seriously not that picky and work hard.  Is it just a reality that a large percentage of the Asian ESL workplace will be crap? 

Anyway, thanks for the info about the school everyone.  I think my decision has been made.

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2006, 01:25:49 pm »
This post is a little late, but comes as a result of the misconduct of the DOS and Management at Siam International School.
The DOS joined the school 6 weeks into the new term last year (05/06). Her main task would be to guide the school towards WASC accreditation (apparently she was a real whiz).  From the beginning of the year, both new staff and old worked hard to set up a curriculum that would cater to all students and that focused on ESL support. The graded reading program was very popular with students and staff alike. When DOS finally arrived, she decided to pretty much cancel out everything the staff, parents and students had been developing over the past year. This was done without any dialogue with those it would affect the most. The school then waited patiently for our Director's vision for the future and for her to do what the job implies - direct the curriculum. It never happened. The owners of the school had to put the WASC application on hold for a year because of her negligence and sloth, this has put into doubt hopes for Grade 11 graduating next year.
However, when I said she had done nothing, that's not entirely true. In some areas she was a real workaholic. For example:

Harassment

DOS moved into a small community of teachers and from the first week began making uninvited visits on staff, in there own homes, at any hour of the night or day. In some cases she actually walked straight into people's homes without permission. Some members of staff also noted that, on nearly every occasion, DOS was intoxicated with alcohol.
When staff had the audacity to complain, DOS retaliated with random class inspections, letters of reprimand (all with errors in grammar - yeah, I know, I'm no Shakespeare myself) and generally inferred to the owners of the school that such people were bad teachers and probably unqualified. Yes, she has alleged on numerous occasions as to the authenticity of teacher credentials. Now if you contact any teacher who worked at the school they will happily supply you with their teacher license numbers from the home country along with contact numbers and whatnot. The truth is the school had a first class, dedicated and hard working faculty.
DOS generally rolled into her office about an hour after most teachers had started work.

Ignorance of Thai Culture

Obviously, when you are new to a culture as alien as Thailand, Thai people don't expect you to be perfect in your manners and conduct. What they do expect is that you at least pick up the basics of their customs. DOS did not bother and caused great offence to Thai and Foreign staff and to parents and students. This was most notable when she took down certain royal photographs and laid them face down on the corridor floor.

Unfair dismissals

If any member of staff disagreed with DOS, openly or in private, then there days at the school were numbered. We were lucky enough to have a teacher from the US who had been through the WASC accreditation process. In a meeting with the owners and staff, he had the courage to stand up and explain where, precisely, DOS was not doing her job. It was a long list - over 20 points. He was sacked a few weeks later. Our highly respected ESL teacher was fired because, according to DOS, he was unqualified, he was been replaced with someone who has exactly the same qualifications. He needed to be in the job one more month to be able to legally adopt his 12 year-old step-daughter. DOS knew this but sacked him anyway - at Xmas. He's 62.
 Since DOS joined the school over 15 people left, either fired or so depressed they decided to move on. A further 12 teachers sadly informed the school that they would not be returning for 06/07 and cited DOS as there main reason for quitting.

Incompetence

To put it bluntly, she was thick (remember the typo interview?).
Case in point, recently we had a very serious incident where one student cut another with a knife. That same day, at a very emotive emergency faculty meeting, DOS exclaimed,  "then he just went all loony!"
Please take a moment to let that sink in. How would you feel if you were the parent of the boy who had committed such a terrible act? I can not imagine the horror and shame they must have gone through.
How would you then feel when you found out your child was called a "loony" by the head teacher of the school?
Good God.

Hypocrisy

DOS, near the end of the year, informed our K3 teacher that he would not be welcome back next year (such a delightful turn of phrase the gal has, eh?). Poor guy has a wife and kids to think about so he finds another job in a Thai school and hands in his notice. So the owners think, "well, DOS has done nothing for her considerable salary since the day she started so maybe she can teach K3". The head of Kindergarten made repeated requests to her for lesson plans to cover the few remaining weeks of the year. Now having used LP's to beat the staff over the head, we all expected some pretty hot stuff from DOS. Sadly, nothing was forthcoming and, on her first day of work, DOS called the school to say she was in hospital (nobody is sure which one) and that she would be off for 2 weeks. What a coincidence.

All of this happened under the nose of the owners of the school and the thai school manager.
A lot of decent people left what could have been an excellent little school.
A lot of great kids are getting their education shafted because the management will make the same mistakes over and over.

Does this sound familiar?

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2006, 03:02:55 pm »

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Yes, gunboat, this does sound familiar... too familiar.  I have seen this before at other schools.

It only takes one person in a management position to totally ruin a school.  Even though it is hard to believe, often school owners like (even love) such managers that you have described because they want someone who can enforce their will and "control" foreign staff.  Such individuals, once they get into that position, speak ill of the teachers at every opportunity when talking to the owner and are quick to tell their side of the story so that the owner's eyes are completely colored by this poison (sorry, I mean...) person's view.  Instead of supporting the teachers, it becomes the twisted agenda of the management to suppress them in the hopes that they will simply toe the line.  Sharing ideas are not welcome, "just do your job" or "just do as I say."  Obedience or even "arce kissing" rather than job performance becomes more important for deciding who is a good teacher.  "Bad teachers" may actually be super teachers in reality but are painted "bad" simply because they forgot to wai or stood up for something that they knew was important for their students.  And once you give your notice you are suddenly labeled as "bad" regardless of your past performance or popularity with other staff and students.

It is best when faced with such a situation that you have described to give notice because it will be a loss of face for the school owner to sack someone they hired and initially liked and supported.  I recall one manager I knew of who bullied his teachers but I heard him praised by the owner because "he knows how to control all of the teachers."  Even when many teachers are leaving, the school owner sees them as "bad" teachers because the "good" DOS or whomever has made sure the owner has believed his/her side of the story.

Does this DOS still work at this school? 

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2006, 06:58:14 am »
Sacked on the last day of school. By then the damage was done.
It was important to note the advert placed in the post a week before the start of school. They were asking for 8 new teachers.

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2006, 07:53:17 am »
gunboat diplomat,
I want to thank you so much for your extensive post that chronicles the DOS' tenure at SIS.  I am so relieved that she discovered the non-typo on my diploma and instantly dismissed me from my job interview at the school.  I would not have enjoyed being cannon fodder for this character, any more than the other teachers who were victimized and sacked during her reign.


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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2006, 06:43:42 pm »
My pleasure, thai me up.
You were, indeed, very lucky.
They have now, apparently, a kick-ass admin team that's really gonna turn things around and put Siam up there with ASB and NIST.
Please stop laughing.
This is the major problem with lower league, start-up, wannabe international schools. Owners think themselves as rich enough to compete with schools that have been around for years and have around 2000 kids on the books. They don't realise that the big-shot owners spend there days lounging around and counting the millions.
'Wannabes' man manage the business with no real idea and an absolute mistrust of the foriegn staff who should be running it.
The DOS in question really was a disaster (gone back to the great north i think - and good riddance) but the root problem remains the same. We, as teachers, can jump ship when it gets dodgy, but families are stuck there - especially when Siam tries to squeeze advance payments. I knew one guy who'd paid up a few years in advance and was spitting blood.
It would certainly make interesting reading if there was a parent/student version of teflwatch.

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2006, 08:25:40 pm »
gunboat, I don't feel sorry for parents who've paid up tuition years in advance.  When I interviewed at the school, the physical plant was still under construction.  If a parent wants to invest in a start-up school under construction with small enrollment, that's a risk they're willing to take.  I think it's "buyer beware" for parents shopping a start-up international school.  As a teacher, I'm not willing to accept the risk of working for a start-up school.  In fact, I also interviewed at Keera-Pat IS, another impressive school still under construction.  Without systems in place and a small enrollment, I opted not to teach there until the bugs were worked out.


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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2006, 08:20:30 am »
I agree that it show's a lack of judgement on the part of some parents (incl farrang). However, I still feel sorry for them and, more importantly, their kids. After working with them for some time, I developed a great deal of respect for all of the families. The stu's became very attached to the school and there was always good working relationships between teachers and students. As students leave it causes upset amongst friends.
It's depressing to see schools fail through no fault of staff or families.

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2006, 11:18:02 pm »
This place just keeps generating stories where the truth is funnier than comedy.

Things I've heard about the place from various folks who worked there-

They used to have a proper curriculum director and hire proper teachers, and they were shooting for IB- then they all got fired.

At various points the owner fires the director (not sure how many times so far) and takes over himself.

At one point a teacher whose class kept asking when they would get books suggested they go ask the director himself if they wanted- this class (including the owner's own daughter) agreed and did so- you can imagine what happened to the teacher in question.

At one point the owner was also living in the girl's swimming pool changing room for an extended period of time because his wife had thrown him out.

They are now so screwed up administratively that the school is unaccredited according to any standard.  As a result, some of the students are looking into GED equivalency programs (heard this from one of the parents).

Stay far, far away from there.

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2006, 06:34:04 pm »
All true Nuke, however, using students to make a point with the boss shows, to me anyway, a callous and unprofessional manner. If a teacher has a huge problem with the admin then he/she should grow a pair of balls and and quit.

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Re: Siam International School- opinions?
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2006, 09:37:25 pm »
This school has been inducted into the Hall of Shame.

 

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