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Offline Bangkok Hound

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2006, 11:17:23 am »
no homework today, did they ever help you obtain a work permit or visa?

I hope you get your situation resolved soon.

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2006, 02:16:37 pm »
It was not necessary as I had/have the required Thai documents from another source. However I suspect I am one of the few who has them who was working for EA. That surprised me too that they can just place me without hassle, but I don’t think he <Thai> thought to ask and he assumed something else.

I suspect all of this to change with work permits and proper visas when schools start seeing their teachers leave because of the 90/180 tourist visa thing. Agencies in Thailand may be on the endangered species list now. Something has to give. Schools should be in full panic mode come December.

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2006, 01:08:42 pm »
Well here is the latest. When I talked to the guy in the UK I figured that the money would for now be coming out of their pocket. So I offered that he only need pay me 15,000 now to cover my rent and immediate expenses and the remainder could wait a week or so.

Today I met with someone and they did provide me with 15,000 pay and offered me another position that I will interview with on Monday.

We talked about the upsetting chuckle and hanging up of the phone. There was a genuine concern that someone at EA has a lot to learn about interpersonal skills. At any rate it looks for now that EA is working to keep their face in spite of one or more persons who should not be let near the phones. More updates to come as they happen.

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #63 on: November 03, 2006, 11:44:49 pm »
No homework, glad to hear you got at least some money out of them. Still have no replacement for you and we''re covering your classes between us.

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2006, 12:23:22 pm »
OK here is the latest. I waited a bit before posting this. In short I did get all my pay, and I also know the money came from EA coffers and not the school. All decisions about disbursing money came from the UK and the Thais here could not make the decisions.

It would seem the school it turning out to be a bit of a sour note. The contracted teacher have to contribute 100 baht a month for the A/C. Even that the school has yet to replace me they still charged me 100 baht after I was gone. I thought is was really absurd but I gave them the money in the hopes it would aid EA in getting the money from the school. I can’t see them getting the shaft, but then again it is no different than many teachers get after they submit their final grades at the end of the second semester. I knew going into this school it would only be a one year contract. I may put a blurb about the school at some point but I want to hear from the remaining teachers at the end of the second semester. The name if the school you ask????..... and things about money not being paid???...well lets just perhaps some thoughts were exchanged on how to avoid paying what you owe between the school and a recent graduate. That particular graduate now seems to have a problem with owing income tax on a certain Shin transaction of 329.2 Million shares at 37%. Perhaps you know of him, his father is now living in the UK but seems to be circling Thailand looking for a way back in.

So all in all EA is doing its best to be straight and up front with it’s teachers even though working with some schools is a nightmare. In a way I feel bad for them that they need to put up with so much Thai bull.

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #65 on: December 08, 2006, 03:37:49 am »
Whether it be Bangkok, Madrid, Rome or Singapore, all pecuniary matters are decided in the U.K. The same goes for recruitment.

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #66 on: December 08, 2006, 05:25:42 pm »
Why would the decision to employ someone, who had been interviewed in Bangkok, be left to someone in the UK who had never met them? Mai Kow Jai ???

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2006, 04:09:12 pm »
I have just been introduced to this website...

I understand the thread was openned a while ago...but for the record...

I was hired, by English Abroad, to work at Kwong Chow School.  I lasted there for several months.

I have Master/Bachelor/Celta accreditations...

English Abroad were sometimes vague, not as strong an advocate as i'd like, were in the end, honest and helpful. 

The problems seemed to have emanated from the different contracts i had signed with English Abroad and the contract signed between English Abroad and the Kwong Chow School.

There seemed to be vast differences between the two...when the school began making demands contrary to my contract with English Abroad, I refused to comply, referring the school to my contract.

The school's position was that as they had a contract with English Abroad, I was under the same contract...my informing the school that i was only contracted to the document i had seen and agreed too was not greeted too warmly...

For Example:

I was informed that there would be some extracurricular events i would be obliged to attend.  I was particular with English Abroad on this issue and was reasurred several times that these events would be infrequent, perhaps several per year.  Within my first two months, there were 3 events, 10 hours of unpaid time, with the first event requiring 800 baht of my money for the food.

Teacher meetings were stated to be once per month.  Within the first two months there were four such meetings.  All anounced with no longer then 48 hours notice, while one could give an apology, too many apologies were stated to be considered as showing a poor attitude.  My main complaint here was the short announcement times.  I could not understand why a regular two hour administrative meeting could not be arranged one week in advance. 

An extra 'optional' class was incorporated daily.  This was stated by English Abroad to be worth approximately 300 baht.  Upon these classes beginning, I enquired into the pay, as the school was to pay us separately from our salary, which was to be paid by English Abroad during our probation period.  On every occassion, perhaps 5 times, during 4-6 weeks of these classes that enquiries were made into the payment for these classes, the head of the English department refused to provide the information...when pressed, this staffperson claimed that the school had yet to clarify the amount.  I was eventually paid 80 baht per class, but did not receive this princely amount until 2 weeks after being sacked.

I worked with several other English teachers...I was informed through my colleagues that the school was going to take over paying us...when i attempted to discuss this issue with the school, a change of contract, i was referred to English Abroad.  English Abroad were agreeable to continue the original payment system.  I continued to seek a meeting with the school regarding their intention to alter 'my' contract with English Abroad and was repeatedly referred back to English Abroad. 

I eventually pressured English Abroad to make a meeting with the school to clarify these seemingly ongoing issues.  The meeting was set for a Tuesday and English Abroad informed me that they, the school and the English teachers would attend.  The meeting went ahead between the school and English Abroad.  I was informed, later that day, by English Abroad that the school had terminated my employment the previuos Friday afternoon.  Remember, this was the following Tuesday afternoon.   When I asked English Abroad when they had been informed of my being sacked, they replied that they were told during Tuesday's meeting.  I asked if I would be paid for Monday and Tuesday, as I'd worked until I was told to stop...English Abroad replied that "as far as Kwong Chow School is concerned, your employment was terminated last Friday afternoon and they will not pay you for Monday and Tuesday."  English Abroad could not say why the school did not make a statement on the previous Friday.

Eventually, I was paid in full by English Abroad.

I do not know if the school paid English Abroad for my work on the Monday and Tuesday.

I was informed that my employment was terminated on 'personality' grounds.  Whilst I cannot say categorically, my belief is, my demands to be treated in accord with my contract put me at immediate odds with the head of the English Program...a fellow Falang...

I cannot say what the truth of my experiences with the Kwong Chow School were.  All the above are my view of myexperiences. 

I have no actual knowledge of any communications between the school and English Abroad.

My experiences with the school were paradoxical...with the management...my experiences were difficult to state, sometimes warm and friendly, other times dismissive and disrespectful...with my teacher colleagues, my experiences were 'generally' very supportive and welcoming...with the student body, my experiences were entirely wonderful...

I am an inexperienced teacher and so, have little references points...however, the school did appear to me to have good resources to assist my teaching...

was I the problem, was the school, was English Abroad, was the problem the dual contracts...I cannot say...but the experience left me feeling entirely abused and disrespected, in spite of being fully paid...

insideleft...

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2006, 11:11:45 pm »
I can understand your post, and allow me so spread some light. EA has just recently decided to get involved with Thai schools (2005) as they were more a business English company. No doubt they got taken a few times because of the newness to the market. I  saw that the schools contract with the direct teachers looked a little sweeter in some places, however all and all EA as an agent acts as a buffer between the contracted teacher and the school. If I were direct I am sure I would have been stiffed for the whole months pay with some vague threat of never finding a teaching job again if I contested it (Ask me how I know). Bottom line as I see it Thai agencies will screw you over and charge you to do it. Non Thai agencies will at least try to work to the contact. Welcome to teaching in Thailand!!!!

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2007, 10:38:29 pm »
For those still sufficiently interested then it would appear that insideleft's description of events is fairly accurate. However, perhaps english abroad (thailand) should point out that we received no payment from Kwang Chow School for all of insideleft's hard work and that, indeed, his salary was paid entirely by english abroad (thailand). Furthermore, english abroad (thailand) terminated the contract with Kwang Chow School immediately after the dismissal of insideleft. We believe that insideleft was doing a good job at Kwang Chow School and that he was treated very poorly by them. We would like to take this opportunity to wish insideleft the best of luck with his future and to say that we believe he will make a succesful career within tefl.

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Re: ENGLISH ABROAD
« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2007, 06:18:40 am »
Kudos to all parties apart from what looks like an awful awful school.

I would imagine English Aborad will cease doing business with the school in question?

 

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