Topic: ENGLISH ABROAD

[gary]

Beware folks, there is an outfit called ENGLISH ABROAD or at least that is one of the names they use who offer agency work to teachers O.K. so far so good .

The odd thing is that the office address is never given to you, the only point of contact is an e mail addy or the following phone numbers    NO NAMES READ THE RULES. PHONE NUMBERS ARE OUT OF BOUNDS AS WELL.

They do have as far as I have been able to ascertain a possible office on Wireless road which appear to be a fire escape and or a toilet when I inspected the building !!

One of my female friends worked for English Abroad and was not paid the 35000.Baht for a months holiday course work at a Bangkok school. Also I have been told that a number of employees have had to really chase after their wages from these people .

I have actually tried to contact these people myself, however they would not furnish me with an office address but insisted I made a contact point of my choice to meet with them .

I think the whole shooting match is a scam in the making, if my memory serves me true the Ansell fellow was involved with "The British School of Bangkok " located on Silom road in days since gone. The managements reputation and salary payment system of the British School School of Bangkok was to be polite somewhat questionable in its regularity and indeed actual implementation too .

Can anyone out there throw some light on this outfit I ask ?

I realise that the moderators may have to remove names from the posting and indeed if I have crossed the boundry of what is allowable and what is not I respect that action.

However people need protection from crooks, bad enough fighting the Thai system at times but to get Farangs trying and indeed it seems achiving the ultimate rip off is indeed despicable.

We should all,be trying to look after our own in an attempt to foster good relations with our school employers, our fellow foreign teachers and our fellow Thai co-workers too, not wondering if ones fellow staff members are going to get paid or is the school about to be ripped off too, thus driving another nail into our Farang coffins.

[MrQ]

Look

If you know using names are out of bounds why the hell did you do it?

MrQ

[sir mouse burgher]

I contacted english abroad found them lacking.
Mr Q, I have read the rulse about posting and I found them a bit confusing. I think gary was only trying to warn or help people and his motives are good as are his ? manners too

[hero]

2. No names of ANY individual. It doesn't matter whether it is good or bad, if you mention a name, the post will be deleted. Schools may be mentioned, but directors, co-teachers and staff should not be named.

Not all that confusing really!

[ladyteacher]

I contacted these people and thought NO NO NON NO  they wouldnt give me an office address so I thought not good people.

luk ling, you said you know the man why wonyt he give an address to anyone then ? Is he a crook ?

What is the true story about this agency ?

[Hooded_Claw]

Certainly that person named as being involved is/was also with the British School of Bangkok. Also, it's true there were accusations on ajarn.com that staff were either unpaid or had to go through a lot of wrangling to get paid at BSB.

There seems to be quite a lot of innuendo and not much substance to this thread so far, though. For example the suggestion that they wanted to meet at a neutral venue could be down to several reasons, not because they are  ''

Some more substantial, first hand info would be good.

[hero]

Two more posts containing names deleted - I suggest that the whole thread goes in the bin the next time it happens.

As myself and Mr Q have pointed out the rules are very clear and will be enforced on this issue!

Thanks,

Hero

[luk ling]

I contacted these people and thought NO NO NON NO  they wouldnt give me an office address so I thought not good people.

luk ling, you said you know the man why wonyt he give an address to anyone then ? Is he a crook ?

What is the true story about this agency ?

All I know is: A few people I know work/have worked for them and have had no problems. I've worked for them for the past month and so far no problems (payday around the corner so, who knows). They gave me an office address that I didn't visit, but someone has posted that the office address is phoney (again unsubstantiated). The guy I deal with appears a bit nervous, but that is no eveidence of crookery (could be too many E's and 'phet in his youth for all I know). They are posting a lot of job ads on ajarn.com for schools, so even if they are or were connected to the place round Silom that had/has a bad name it would be silly to lose all those school contracts for the sake of ripping people off for a months salary (unless he does a runner with EVERY teachers pay packet from EVERY school they have a contract with). As posted earlier, I did ask the guy directly if he was connected to the "other" place and he denied it. I won't really know anything more until payday comes. But with that many job ads and school contracts he wouldn't be difficult to find if he rips me off. So I ain't that worried about it.

[Hooded_Claw]

All that sounds fair enough. I wonder why he's denying he was co manager of BSB, though? It all sounds like a bit of an uneasy situation, and suggests they got a bad rep. from that.

Does anyone know if BSB still exists? Did the teachers grumbles about that place get sorted?

[english abroad]

To come straight to the point, either Gary or the female friend he mentions are telling lies. We can say, categorically, that no female teacher or any other teacher for that matter has ever worked  for english abroad (thailand) and not received, promptly, the salary owing to them.
We, therefore, suggest that both Gary and his female friend make an appointment on either 02 *** 3110 or
07 *** 4404 and come to the office on the 36th floor, All Seasons Place, Wireless Road, Bangkok (there is a toilat on the same floor, but anyone with a modicum of common sense would have gone in to the office) with the aim, once his lies become apparent, of hopefully having him banned from this forum, at least under his present name. We would, therefore, request that one of the moderators contacts us so as to be present at the meeting and to act as an independent witness.
As a footnote to this, english abroad (thailand) would like to make it clear that it does not intend to respond to any other false allegations as it would be both time consuming and playing in to the hands of malicious individuals such as Gary.
We appreciate that teflwatch has an important role to play, however we would appeal to its better sense of judgement and remain vigilant to phony contributions especially with the apparent naivety of some of the contributors to this thread in mind.

**Admin Note: No phone numbers, please! You name PM the poster to get the phone numbers. **

[english abroad]

Sorry, that's toilet. Just a typing error before you all start getting excited.

[Mods-Rockers]

Now that seems a fair and amicable solution, I for one would be inclined to agree to the meeting Gary, If your claims are well founded. If you would like such a  meeting then please PM myself or one of the other mods to discuss the matter.

[admin]

It does sound nice. Maybe, you can also tell us why anyone would be saying anything bad about your agency. Have you upset any teachers recently? It would be very strange for someone to troll job ads and just decide to take the time out of their busy day to purposefully attack your agency. Usually people, even crazy people, need a reason to do something like this.

[Speaksoftly]

I don't think it's in the interests of the Mods of this forum to act as a mediator between schools and teachers, no matter how unofficial.  At best, there's no way for us to enforce the truth or the subsequent behavior of any party, and at worst we would expose our identities and ourselves to potential legal embroilments.

I think if Mr. Gary is really interested in pursuing any formal negotiations with EA, he should hire a real legal representative (i.e., a lawyer) who will have the power and the knowledge to protect his interests, and EA should do the same.  Perhaps we could hear from both of them about the court case here.  Otherwise, I think this is an excellent place for both parties to be heard by ALL the Mods (and members, too).

[luk ling]

Maybe, you can also tell us why anyone would be saying anything bad about your agency. Have you upset any teachers recently?

TiT--there are some very weird people out here, who knows what they will do for a laugh? Maybe they arrived for work out of their face and got sacked, maybe one of the guys at EA shagged their girlfriend, maybe....you get the picture. The office address is clearly stated in the post, no-one else has come forward on here to say they've ripped them off. On the numbers: one poster saying he "knows" someone who they ripped off. I know three people who worked for them last school year and the two I'm still in contact with started again with them this year. Okay, so he denied being connected with BSB, no biggie, so would I. I also think the BSB thing may have been blown out of proportion on ajarn.com. I think it's time to leave them alone and let them get on with their job.