Topic: Chonkanyanukoon Chonburi

[itsturninugly]

2nd time posted! This school is one of the worst EP management situations in Thailand. Stay clear of this place! Look at how toned down this complaint is, yet "WATCH" it get yanked.
The management isn't all you have to be careful about either mate. (there is some real dung in this heap and it's non-Thai).

[admin]

Can you tell us more about how it is bad, specifically. I am all for free speech and I want to know exactly why this school is bad. This post is not enough to qualify it for the Hall of Shame, but if you come back and make a more in depth post, we can see about it entering the Hall of Shame.

[itsturninugly]

Geez! God of the forum, Is it not enough that I had to post the school's name on the WATCH. Any more elaboration and you can start moderating to your liking, shape the thread to be about what they(the moderators) want it to be about. I'm not ragging on the WATCH. I think it does provide a service. Just look at the zillion posts about schools most people already know are bad. People read for new sucker stories.
This school is bad because they did bad things to good people, and good things to bad people. Period! If I go into particulars, only the people involved know the truth. The rest is just "popcorn music" for the bored ajarns. "worst EP management situations," "non-Thai dung in the heap." not enough? If I was looking for a job and saw this, a red flag would go up.
I can't drag the school through the mud the way I want to. (not allowed)
This school has a lot of very good things about it!!!! And I feel uncomfortable about my post for a few reasons. The good people there were, and are, being affected by some very bad decisions. I could try and disect the whole deal for you, so you could inspect the interior, maybe find the cancer. But the truth is, just like at these other schools, there is no cancer. Just a virus like the common cold-there is no cure, no cutting it out, no chemo. Maybe, just maybe, a few of the other people involved will post their view.

On the day I posted this reply, they were still looking for Eng. teachers...may that search continue. The parents who sent their children to that school, hoping they would be taught by me, were disgruntled. And that is where the true power of change is "the PARENTS." Behind them is the money that greases the wheels. Not unhappy camper teachers sharing the bad news with one another like plane crash survivors chatting to one another about their experience when the plane went down. Instead of lining up at the airport, forbidding others to board until changes are made.

So, here's my little sign, "this school has problems, some of them they hired!"

[Mods-Rockers]

So let me get this straight, In your opinion the management of the school is below par, may I remind you that this is an opinion held by the majority of farang teachers in just about all schools in Thailand. With more than a few years under my belt now I tend to go in with my eyes open expecting inept management, its kinda like expecting to have some papaya in my somtam.
What I like to know before I get involved in a position is if the school does little things like honor the contract OR NOT, pay on time and in full OR NOT, offer and provide nice little perks to teachers like air and internet OR NOT, offer good support to teachers with regards curriculum and discipline OR NOT. Do you get the idea now, I am looking to find out, and I expect most other teachers are the same if there are any OR NOT’s in the picture and then I can make an informed decision. And guess what some of those parents who you and I know can effect changes also read this forum (not many I grant you, but some) but if all they see is someone making very vague suggestions that there is some inept management happening without explaining if this inept management is affecting either the teachers or the pupils in some negative way, then how can they make an informed decision?

You post above basically wasted your effort in writing 373 words to say the square root of diddly squat. The same amount of effort might have informed some people about a place they might rather not be, instead IMHO it just showed you to be somewhat of a whinger.

Try constructive criticism next time, it works a whole lot more.

[Mods-Rockers]

And another thing that I would hope you have noticed, YOUR POSTS HAVE NOT BEEN YANKED!!! though I will admit that if I were pruning out posts on this forum that did not provide viable information to teachers then yours would have been history, as it is I think all they do provide for other teacher is a reason to giggle at you.

[itsturninugly]

Oh! I get it now. For a minute there I thought the objective was worthwhile education. I'll make it plain and simple for you. A handy job advert:

Wanted: teachers who will show up sometime during the week. You don't have to care. You don't have to teach- just go to the classroom. You don't have to be a part of a team. You don't have to dress-the-part. You don't have to teach in non-air classrooms. You have unlimited access to the internet-day or night. You can take our supplies and use them for personal gain. We will help you get a non-imm visa. we will get you a work permit. We will pay you in cash, your full monthly salary, every month. You don't have to attend any meetings. We have the latest in teaching technology. co-worker romances are fine by us, or visit the local karoke clubs for some real Thai culture. And as part of our school, feel free to abuse, offend, harm, steal from, beg from, borrow from, others. We also provide a "multi-asian cultural atmosphere." And if you are not a native speaker of English, let us reassure you that, that is our last concern. We will also provide you with an accomodation if you "qualify"(certain cultural restrictions apply). Don't worry about those pesky students. We will keep them busy doing other things. And our contract is one year or whatever you need. vacation time is on an as needed basis along with sick-leave. For further details, please, contact: one ly'en sunofa gun

It is all true...Try to be a real teacher in a mess like that.........

[Mods-Rockers]

 

[Uncle Che]

That actually sounds like a decent place to work.

Seriously, I think it is a good idea to post some specifics. You say your experience is bad, but guess what? So are many other schools. When I was in Thailand, every school I worked at was bad, but I haven't bothered to put any of them on this board. Why? I wasn't willing to post specifics on why they are bad. This isn't just a resource for teachers, I would hope that it would be a resource for administrators as well. They need to know their faults in order to make situations better.

 

[MrQ]

So ae you still looking for teacers?

That sounds like a good school to work at.

I will PM you my resume.

[itsturninugly]

I thought TEFL WATCH was legitimate. A guy brings a complaint, and it isn't good enough? He steps from the crowd up to the microphone, after being prodded by the moderators, only to be heckled, and abused by the moderators.

You should display with any of your advertising that the WATCH is only concerned with financial problems and interruptions to time off.

I am a professional, and this site has acted very unprofessional. And I guess that is my point about the school, too. So, for you moderators and other unprofessional folks out there, by all means go to this school, abuse more Thai children, become part of the problem. 

[samvimes]

So, for you moderators and other unprofessional folks out there, by all means go to this school, abuse more Thai children, become part of the problem. 

If you bring a complaint then bring specifics and cite examples.

It does nothing for me to say xxx school is bad without giving some good justification and possibly some things that need to be changed/improved.

If you can't give detail to support what you say then why would it be taken seriously?

By all means post some more details in support of what you think. How are Thai children being abused?

[wake]

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Yes ugly, please provide some specifics.  Contract violation?  Unreasonable class schedules?  Requests to cover for absent teachers with no extra pay?  What the heck is wrong with the place? specifically

Please hurry...  I have an interview there next week.

wake


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[Mods-Rockers]

I thought TEFL WATCH was legitimate. A guy brings a complaint, and it isn't good enough? He steps from the crowd up to the microphone, after being prodded by the moderators, only to be heckled, and abused by the moderators.

Sorry if you think that asking for details is classified as abuse and heckling. Let me pose you a similar situation. Hitler was a bad man!

Is that enough information to cover a dictator who was responsible for the death for whatever reason of some 30 to 40 million people worldwide on both sides? Personally I dont think so.

[jaded]

wut the hell are you bringing hitler into it for dumbazz....stick to the point....thai schools by and large are poorly managed and staffed by unqualified and usless foreign teachers. if a foreign "teacher" really wuz qualified they probably wouldnt be settling for a $1000 or less in a third world country...take these foreign teachers back to their home countries and their probably making minimum wage. not to mention the fact that half of all foreign teachers in thailand have fake ass degrees....damn frauds.......but thats the drawback of globalization...thai's think they NEED english even if they never ever use on a day to day...but fuc it right at least alcoholic, socially deviant foreigners can keep from starving right? how can u blame thai school administrators to treat foreigners with respect and such when you have to deal with white trash in your classrooms. foreigners stop ur bitchin and whining...if you dont like it then by all means put down ur beer, buy a plane ticket, and go back to being a two bit nothing in your own country

[Mods-Rockers]

wut the hell are you bringing hitler into it for dumbazz....stick to the point....thai schools by and large are poorly managed and staffed by unqualified and usless foreign teachers. if a foreign "teacher" really wuz qualified they probably wouldnt be settling for a $1000 or less in a third world country...take these foreign teachers back to their home countries and their probably making minimum wage. not to mention the fact that half of all foreign teachers in thailand have fake ass degrees....damn frauds.......but thats the drawback of globalization...thai's think they NEED english even if they never ever use on a day to day...but fuc it right at least alcoholic, socially deviant foreigners can keep from starving right? how can u blame thai school administrators to treat foreigners with respect and such when you have to deal with white trash in your classrooms. foreigners stop ur bitchin and whining...if you dont like it then by all means put down ur beer, buy a plane ticket, and go back to being a two bit nothing in your own country

Cognative analysis is not your forte, right. When you get your facts somewhere on the correct page of the book then come back and witch, until then keep up with your classes.