Topic: Sarasas Schools- All campuses

[Mods-Rockers]

Welcome back namtok!

[retiredstillteaching]

Thanks, M-R, just don't go getting too nostalgic or teary-eyed. It's good to see you're still kicking.

[Mods-Rockers]

In another place, the entity formally known as ‘Namtok’ AKA ‘Pibthong’ AKA ‘yanqui’ AKA ’oh, who gives a fcuk’ is yet again engaged in his two favorite pastimes; making himself look a fool, thus getting a new asshole torn, and trying to discredit a certain group of schools (one of them in particular). With his usual aplomb he is succeeding at making himself look a fool but failing quite badly in his main objective.
Following his usual pattern, and in a manner similar to that applied to Hero and myself on this board, ‘Namtok’ et al has started to accuse all those who disagree with his paradigm of being in the employ of a certain school group. Actually, and in his usual manner, he uses far more derogatory comments than merely employed (comments that can only be construed as being anti-teacher). This has led one poster over there, a poster who had in another thread supported ‘namtok. As a person but did not support the paradigm, to make the following post:
http://ajarnforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=8506&page=39

This is sheer paranoia Yanqui. I work for that school chain. I know two others posters from the board that work for them. One of them has posted on this thread but is not one of your current adversaries (though he probably agrees with them).
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Get a grip man unless of course your intent is to troll.

As we all know, in a fit of pique, ‘namtok’ et all resigned from this forum makining some very derogatory statements against the board and its administration when he left, he then went on to make even more derogatory statements against the board in another place until that places admin zipped his lips. He was quite emphatic about his desire to leave and never return. I would sincerely hope that if he does return he is able to leave the past behind. He stated here and elsewhere his desire to out his episode with the Sarisas group behind him and look forward to the future, yet like a shaky member of the AA, one sniff of a barmaids apron and its back to the sauce!

[Mods-Rockers]

This post should not be construed as being in any way an advocacy for the Sarisas group, it is more to highlight what I perceive to be a flaw in the methodology used to induct the group into the HoS.

Both Sarasas and Bcc were inducted at around the same time, and leading up to their inductions they had both received a huge amount of flak on this forum and indeed on the three previous TSW’s. that’s not to say there were no supporters for the schools, there were, but when inducted the balance was tipped towards the detractors and thus the schools were, rightly or wrongly, inducted into the HoS.

Following induction, reports of wrongdoing by BCC fell off quite dramatically and whilst supporters like JJ took a fair amount of warranted flak from long time detractors, there was an appearance of a upswing within BCC. Slowly, over time new supporter started to appear, teachers such as Los-teacher who gave frank descriptions of the improvements and also areas where improvement was still warranted. They like JJ took flak but over time their arguments proved to hold true and this eventually led to BCC being elevated out of the gloom that is the HoS. Why did this new wave of support wait before coming out? I see two possible reasons; the first is that they were cautious and wanted to make sure that the improvements were not a lick of paint to hide the cracks but were in fact long-term improvements showing the schools commitment to enhance itself, secondly they may have had reservations about being on the receiving end of the ire felt by the schools detractors. Luckily BCC supporters do not regularly get called whores of the school by certain detractors, that privilege [sic] is reserved for supporters of the Sarasas group! Eventually, with no new reports off wrongdoing appearing, and a fair degree of support from present teachers, BCC was rightly elevated out of the Hos.

Sarasas now id a different kettle of fish, there are some 18? Schools in this group, and many, but not all, of them also received flak, the three main offenders being; Witead, Bang Bon and Ektra. It must be emphasized that certain schools in the group received no detracting posts and indeed some praise.

This is the reason why I used “rightly or wrongly” above, The whole group was inducted en masse, regardless of whether the individual member schools had received complaints or not. For all we know, some member schools may conduct themselves in an exemplary manner with regards to staff relations but they are tarred with the same brush that put the whole group into the HoS.

So why do we not hear about such schools you may ask!  Go back and look at the flak Los-Teacher et al took when the first started posting supportive posts about BCC, that is nothing compared to the verbal abuse meted out by one of the main Sarasas detractors, who in theory has now left this board never to return. Myself I am an old git and somewhat of a pachyderm, his insults are water off a ducks back, but I would imagine that many would be posters would ask themselves if it is worth the effort to post if they will merely receive such abhorrent abuse!

So where does this all lead? Well at the very least I would suggest that the HoS entry be mofified to state that not all Sarasas member schools have received complaints and advise prospective teachers to do more research. A better solution, to my mind, would be to actually name the member schools which did receive complaints and elevate thos complaint free schools out of the HoS  completely until such time, if ever they prove unworthy enough to be in the HoS!

[retiredstillteaching]

It's good to finally see you happy again, M-R. You'd been morose for too long of late. Your brain is beginning to stir again, perhaps even one day to percolate. You indeed are again kicking, but it's yourself if the arse.

You omitted the fact that Pibthong (myself previously at Teflwatch) had posted towards the end of last year at the BCC thread that new directions for BCC were reliably in the works, but that all Pibthong got for his accurate posts of the time was hollered at by some of the forum rats at this site (I use the term affectionately). One such rat, then a moderator, has since been reduced to "Teflwatcher" and remains one indefinitely.

I was rather surprised when I long ago saw that all of the Sarasas schools had been inducted into the Hall of Shame. I myself had been thinking of and expecting the induction of only one of the 16 to 19 Sarasas Affiliated Schools, namely Ektra, so I was somewhat taken by the breadth of the induction.

While I was certain that Ektra was indeed deserving of induction to the Teflwatch Hall of Shame, I wasn't quite sure the whole of SAS deserved induction. But I wasn't going to argue the point as the family of ownership is notoriously reactionary in its social and cultural outlook and anti-farang in its overall policies and in its everyday practices regarding foreign teachers at the Ektra Bilingual School.

Indeed, judging by the inaction at the "Sarasas All" thread at Teflwatch since the induction of all the SAS, it appears that SAS doesn't much care that the entire family and its billion Baht operation of upwards of 19 schools have become fixtures at the TeflWatch Hall of Shame.

As I noted in my above referenced post last year to the BCC thread at TeflWatch, BCC last year began to make the radical and dramatic changes that were necessary if BCC were ever to recover its ruptured reputation. BCC is in the process of climbing the high mountain that lies before it so that BCC can fully recover its good name and reputation. I wish BCC success in what appears to be genuine and effective endeavors in the right direction.

I have not, however, seen or heard of anything of the sort occurring at the whole of the Sarasas Affiliated Schools in any respect what so ever. If anything, things for foreign teachers at Sarasas Ektra Bilingual School have only become worse rather that better, or even neutral.

Maybe such a ractionary and anti-farang ownership deserves to have the whole of its billion Baht scheme of money machine schools be in the Teflwatch Hall of Shame. Or perhaps since the general induction of SAS there have been some improvements at some SAS schools while certain other schools didn't necessarily deserve induction. It could be argued either way, as far as I'm concerned. The one certainty in the matter is that the Sarasas Ektra Bilingual School is in the Hall of Shame because it deserves to be, regardless of other Sarasas Affiliated Schools. 

[retiredstillteaching]

The Sarasas Affiliated Schools' operatives, functionaries and plants at the various websites do stay abreadst of their activities apologizing for SAS and trying to discredit the SAS teachers and former teachers who speak openly to expose SAS at the various websites and their forums.

In this vien, do quickly re-read Teflwatcher Mods Rockers' staggering and slurred post of this date:

In another place, the entity formally known as ‘Namtok’ AKA ‘Pibthong’ AKA ‘yanqui’ AKA ’oh, who gives a fcuk’ is yet again engaged in his two favorite pastimes; making himself look a fool, thus getting a new asshole torn, and trying to discredit a certain group of schools (one of them in particular). With his usual aplomb he is succeeding at making himself look a fool but failing quite badly in his main objective.
Following his usual pattern, and in a manner similar to that applied to Hero and myself on this board, ‘Namtok’ et al has started to accuse all those who disagree with his paradigm of being in the employ of a certain school group. Actually, and in his usual manner, he uses far more derogatory comments than merely employed (comments that can only be construed as being anti-teacher). This has led one poster over there, a poster who had in another thread supported ‘namtok. As a person but did not support the paradigm, to make the following post:
http://ajarnforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=8506&page=39

This is sheer paranoia Yanqui. I work for that school chain. I know two others posters from the board that work for them. One of them has posted on this thread but is not one of your current adversaries (though he probably agrees with them).
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Get a grip man unless of course your intent is to troll.

As we all know, in a fit of pique, ‘namtok’ et all resigned from this forum makining some very derogatory statements against the board and its administration when he left, he then went on to make even more derogatory statements against the board in another place until that places admin zipped his lips. He was quite emphatic about his desire to leave and never return. I would sincerely hope that if he does return he is able to leave the past behind. He stated here and elsewhere his desire to out his episode with the Sarisas group behind him and look forward to the future, yet like a shaky member of the AA, one sniff of a barmaids apron and its back to the sauce!

the opening   

I say, the Towne Drunk Himself just fell off the wagon.

[RobRoy]

What doyou really mean Retired, Pibthong, Yanqui, or whoever you fancy yourself to me....please explain a little further your comments on Mods. Lots of quotes, little real meat to your accusations. 

Are you saying he's a stooge or Sarasas?
Are you saying he supports people who defend Sarasas?
Do you think he might be trying to put blame on specific schools rather than a group of schools?
Have you thought of your next handle?

Just wondering....and perhaps we should start a new thread for trolls and their many handles.  That would be a kick...how about NoonRooster ( a rooster that sounds off at noon is useless)  Or perhaps RetiredButStillNotMakingSense, Or RobWhatTheHeckRoy. 

RR

[Mods-Rockers]

Like a rat crawling out the the sewer you have poked you nose into this forum yet again. I note with sadness, that you have yet again broken your word by this act, Surely you remember statements you made about leaving never to return whilst this forum was run by certain people, surely you remember spilling your billios trash on this forum and elsewhere regarding how this forum was being run. Yet you seem to find it difficult to stay away and even more difficult to make anything remorely resembling an apology to those you insulted! P{lease note that I ask this not for myself but for others you have insulted!
From my own perspective I have come to realize that you are vermin, vermin with no morals who finds it quite acceptable to pass on information he was given in confidence.

   It's good to finally see you happy again, M-R. You'd been morose for too long of late. Your brain is beginning to stir again, perhaps even one day to percolate. You indeed are again kicking, but it's yourself if the arse.

actually your appreciation of the situation is, with your usual alacrity completely wide of the mark. I was exceptionally happy when you left this forum as you were the blight or at least one of the blights that was ruining the place, I am somewhat saddened but not unduly surprised with your return, you have been taking far to much shite over there recently for that place to be hospitable to you anymore, so your return was anticipated.
As for kicking myself in the ass, sorry don’t see it!

You omitted the fact that Pibthong (myself previously at Teflwatch) had posted towards the end of last year at the BCC thread that new directions for BCC were reliably in the works, but that all Pibthong got for his accurate posts of the time was hollered at by some of the forum rats at this site (I use the term affectionately). One such rat, then a moderator, has since been reduced to "Teflwatcher" and remains one indefinitely.

Did I omit anything? Hardly, Unless you are admitting her that you are in the employ of BCC then your posts vis-� -vis BCC last year have about as much relevance as your posts vis-� -vis the Sarasas group seeing as they got rid of you some three years ago! Of course at that time it was believed that you were working there but I seem to remember that you strongly denied it! Actually as the admin pointed out I resigned such as to allow him to get rid of a few unwanted posters, I would point out that I have always been here whilst you had to leave! As to the “and remains one indefinitely” are you suddenly in a position to make such choices? Are you absolutely sure you are correct, maybe I will be back soon, maybe…

But I wasn't going to argue the point as the family of ownership is notoriously reactionary in its social and cultural outlook and anti-farang in its overall policies and in its everyday practices regarding foreign teachers

So I take it then that you are choosing to ignore the fact that this argument of yours was quite categorically rebutted when you brought it up elsewhere? That you were once again made to look a fool over your stance regarding the school to such an extent that you were begging to have the thread closed, locked and binned so as to hide your embarrassment. Tell me worm, you don’t mind if I call you worm do you? Its easier than trying to keep up with your ever changing user identities. Were you so adamant that you be removed completely before just to ensure that all those embarrassing thread where you made yourself look a complete and utter prat disappeared? IO strongly suspect that’s the case.

   Indeed, judging by the inaction at the "Sarasas All" thread at Teflwatch since the induction of all the SAS, it appears that SAS doesn't much care that the entire family and its billion Baht operation of upwards of 19 schools have become fixtures at the TeflWatch Hall of Shame.

So you find the concept that inaction just might point to the fact that matters are in hand, the inaction as you put it also means there has been little in the way of derogatory posts about the group by current or recently current teachers. Please note that in this context recently current means teachers who have work there within the last academic year not 3 years ago as is  your case. What has been said about some of the schools has been hearsay and to my knowledge there has been nothing recently from teacher who are there of have been there.

If anything, things for foreign teachers at Sarasas Ektra Bilingual School have only become worse rather that better, or even neutral.
 

Then why pray tell have the affected teachers not made posts about it? Oh yes we are meant to take everything you say as gospel right! There is no need for others to post,as Namtok et all will do it for them. The problem with that paradigm is that you have shown yourself, Namtok, to be such a complete stranger to anything remotely resembling the truth, along with the widespread belief that you are suffering from some sort of mental illness, that your word is less than worthless.

I do note that you failed to address the point I made in my previous post that possible posters regarding any upswing at the group or indeed just one member school may well have been put off posting because they did not see the need to be harangued by yourself with such nice description as whore, school asslickers and the like, and please try and deny that you regularly do this and I will gladly post links about it!

BTW welcome back, its always good to have a fool, such as yourself, inhouse as it were, it makes the rest of us look far better!

The Sarasas Affiliated Schools' operatives, functionaries and plants at the various websites do stay abreadst of their activities apologizing for SAS and trying to discredit the SAS teachers and former teachers who speak openly to expose SAS at the various websites and their forums.

In this vien, do quickly re-read Teflwatcher Mods Rockers' staggering and slurred post of this date:

the opening   

I say, the Towne Drunk Himself just fell off the wagon.

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Well it certainly seems obvious that like a failing member of AA, Namtok cannot put the past behind him and lets it fester in his tiny peabrain!

[Rico]

Sarasas Schools enters the Caution Zone
      

Sarasas Schools has entered the Caution Zone and you know what that means, it has left the Hall of Shame. Obviously the school has a lot of work left to do and unlike Bangkok Christian College, they are not leaving because they have made obvious changes. They are leaving only because new complaints have not [...]
         

http://www.teflwatch.org/299/sarasas-schools-enters-the-caution-zone/