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Re: Sarasas-all
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2006, 01:43:10 pm »
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Non-natives have no problem getting work permits in Thailand as teachers.

Well they have in my school, but that could be any number of reasons for sure!

Okey dokey I stand corrected {-}

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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2006, 03:52:46 pm »
 <lo{<sr> I have worked at two of the Sarasas schools in BKK and have to say that my final pay with them was fine and notice was given on both ocassions. I worked with the son of the owner of the schools and the family is Thai and not Chinese. I found the Head teachers at both schools to be very nice and understanding. There were problems in other areas as with most schools; which I think were caused by Thai administration tying their hands but I did enjoy working there.? The non-native guys I worked with there did have WPs and they were very good teachers, the only sad thing was that the Filipinos were getting so much less than other non-native and native teachers.

 >:D A quick note on the non-native/native side of things - as with anything there are good and bad in all.? I have to say though, that I could not understand some of the non-native colleagues I have worked with in the past; which is quite worrying when they are teaching the kids English. I have never experienced the same problem when communicating with native colleagues. >:D

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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2006, 09:44:05 pm »
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Good to hear things worked out for you. I have to admit my situation was from a number of years ago (how time flies in LOS) and it is possible that the school no longer uses the same policy. It would be nice to hear some others respond and see if indeed there has been a change for the good. All and all the pay at the Sarasas schools wasn?t that bad compared to some other places like some of the language schools. Anyway I hope my days of working in those kinds of places are behind me. Although I didn't really like working there, it was more about it being a poor fit for me than anything the school actually did, and I wouldn't have complained publicly except for the attempted screwing at the end. I read about all these difficulties in getting work permits, is it really such a problem, native or non-native speaker? I have never worked anywhere where it was a major issue as long as one had all the proper paperwork. Non-immigrant visa, completed application form and Uni transcripts always seemed to get the job done for me. One should take anything written on a forum like this with a pinch or two of salt and never accept, good or bad, a single person?s opinion. However, if there are a number of complaints, I would check out the position a little more carefully. There are always more than one side to every story, even mine? :D
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Re: Sarasas-all
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2006, 10:43:02 am »
Two teachers have lost their no sick day bonus (about 20 000) for being 5 minutes late back from lunch. {n<k>

Year after year, just overflowing with Christian virtues, insn't it?? ;)

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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2006, 08:28:08 pm »
I have worked for two Sarasas campuses for a combination of 5 years. I have never heard of unfair practices with any teacher currently working or that has left the school in a professional manner. I do know of several teachers that had their last months salary adjusted and were angry about it. In all cases these were teachers that I would never have hired in the first place (if it were up to me) as they quickly showed themselves to be parochial minded arrogant twats with no inclination to make allowances for Asian face and they were in a constant head butting battle with the administration from day one. The deductions were not official school policy but revenge deductions for not being polite or respectful. They exercised clauses in the contracts about placement fees and work permit and license fees. A few of these leaving teachers were breaking their contract and the school was well within its rights to do so. Only two cases I can think of were revenge motivated and targeted individuals that had annoyed the management.

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just overflowing with Christian virtues
I say 'som num na' and a perfect example of one disgruntled ex employee.

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Re: Sarasas-all
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2006, 08:55:34 pm »
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parochial minded arrogant twats with no inclination to make allowances for Asian face

For the record, how do Sarasas school help their teachers to settle in to the new culture, for the newbies in Thailand this can be very difficult.  I trust you, with your experience, advised the new guys about Thai ways and helped them, using your obvious experience, to adjust.

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The deductions were not official school policy but revenge deductions for not being polite or respectful.

For the record, are you defending this policy?

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Only two cases I can think of were revenge motivated and targeted individuals that had annoyed the management.

Is this acceptable?

Forgive me if you think I'm beating an unfashionnnable drum here, but what about a bit of teacher unity.  If you consider yourself better adjusted and more employable, wouldn't your energies be better channelled helping others to do a better job?  Instead of that once again we find a fellow Westerner teacher defending ludicrous Thai management practices.

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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2006, 12:45:30 am »
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For the record, are you defending this policy?
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Is this acceptable?
Most definitely not and no I am not defending the actions of the administrator who perpetrated these actions.

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For the record, how do Sarasas school help their teachers to settle in to the new culture, for the newbies in Thailand this can be very difficult.  I trust you, with your experience, advised the new guys about Thai ways and helped them, using your obvious experience, to adjust.
Sarasas does very little to help newbies adjust but expects them to.
Yes I offered advice and counseling to those in distress but they were of the mindset that would not listen. Some peoples personal ethics are not malleable enough for business come schools like Sarasas. I work around, through and within their money machine to educate my students. That is my priority and ethics.

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Instead of that once again we find a fellow Westerner teacher defending ludicrous Thai management practices.
Let me answer the questions before you pass judgment. ???

The administrator in question is well known from as early as the first TSW. She has a track record of this sort of behaiviour and in my opinion is not suited to the role of liaising between foreigners and Thais. Unfortunately she is well ingrained in the power hierarchy and they think the sun shines out of all her orifices. Outside of work hours I have no problems with her. Her heart is in the right place but her mind and management skills can't get out of first gear. There have been many good teachers that have left because of her.





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Re: Sarasas-all
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2006, 08:11:54 pm »
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Let me answer the questions before you pass judgment.

Sorry!  Point taken - I didn't really mean that to sound the way it did ;) I may have got carried away, but as you can probably tell it's something that riles me :D No hard feelings {-}

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Re: Sarasas-all
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2006, 01:31:49 pm »
If I had hard feelings I would have used this guy. >:(

I'm cool. {^^

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Re: Sarasas-all
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2006, 11:23:19 pm »
If I had hard feelings I would have used this guy. >:(

I'm cool. {^^

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Sarasas Ektra School
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2006, 12:41:57 am »
   Sarasas Ektra school currently is posting for 20 new teachers. After that it will post for 20 more and then 20 more etc. Why? After several consecutive years of full time teaching at Ektra School, to include having been lead foreign teacher,? I can point out major problems at the school which account for the high annual turnover of foreign staff. In fact, Ektra always is looking for foreign staff, as some leave after one day, or one week, one month, one semester. This year Ektra needs in the neghborhood of 80 new foreign staff to reach its total need of approximately 130 foreign teachers. Imagine all of the eyebrows that would be raised if Ektra posted for 80 new teachers! Thus, 20, then 20, then 20....

   The principal problem is that the foreign teacher is always wrong while the students are always right. One needn't elaborate on this anomaly as to the effects on classroom management and the attempt to present lessons. Second, The school is in a compact space, which means there is noise pollution which is regularly unbearable to foreigners. The reaction of the school is "That's too bad for you. Just get used to it!" The band and chorus, for example, in an adjacent building can be heard in nearby buildings, as can the boom, boom, boom of the drum as scouts rehearse their marching immediately outside the secondary building. The PE area is centrally located on the grounds so, consequently, its noise permates buildings all day. Some foreign teachers wear swimmer's earplugs all day to mute all of this this constant, regular and maddening noise pollution.

   Also, most foreign teachers who provide proper departure notice are shorted money when they leave (in a rare exception, I wasn't). Further, at the beginning of each year each foreign teacher begins with a measly Baht 1,500 salary increment to take effect in the contract of the following year (the school has never ending optimism!). However, during the course of the year punative deductions are taken against the Baht 1,500? increment so that typically the foreign teacher ends up with an increase of perhaps Baht 500 (five hundred)

   Another major reason is that the secondary school corrdinator is a wild, arbitrary, whimsical man who is known to burst into a classroom, to boistrously direct the foreign teacher to sit down at the back of the classroom while declaring that he will show how to teach the subject to the class (this never happened to me, as he wouldn't have dared!) Secondary students refer to this coordinator, the person in charge of the secondary department of Ektra school, as the Buffalo. This is due to the fact that the human-animal resemblance is remarkably similar and, because of what students think of him personally and profesionally.? He is also know to have the foulest mouth in all of Thailand (I can't speak as to his native Australia, although he has a certai personality type--y'kow?!?.)

   Moroever, the school views foreign teachers as intruders into the society and culture of Thailand and has a long-standing, conscious and deliberate policy of reducing and humiliating foreign teachers to show students how dumb foreign teachers (farangs) are and how smart/clever the Thais running the school are. Indeed, one departing teacher during her one and only year commented, "I'm tired of being made to feel guilty," when of course there was nothing in reality for her or, typically, for any foreign teacher to feel "gulty" about. There is a problem but it begins and ends with? the negative attitude of the school toward the foreign teacher(s) (foreign devils).

  n short, the school knows it needs English from native speakers of English, but does everything it can to prevent the foreign teacher? from doing any more than teaching some English to students.

 FOREIGN TEACHER PUBLICLY CANED: Yes, so bold and aggressive is the Ektra school Thai directoral staff that one morning, during one of 5 morning assemblies each week, one foreign teacher was assaulted from behind , being caned on the back of the right calf by a Thai assistant director. The reason? The foreign teacher, one of many foreign teachers not reciting required public pledges, was singled out? for a public caning before all of the assembled students, Thai teachers and foreign teachers for non-recital of mandatory pledges. At each morning assembly foreign teachers have to recite two of ten weekly pledges, eg, "I will be loyal to your king and country;" "I will be a good teacher;" "I will obey the school's rules," and other like vacuuous platitudes, although Pledge No.1 "I will be loyal to your king and country" clearly is a violation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (adopted by the UN General Assembly effective 1976).. The public caning of a foreign teacher at a public event, ie, a morning assembly is yet another indication of the deliberate, shameless and systemic low regard and abusive treatment Ektra school owners and their top operatives have toward foreign teachers.

FOREIGN TEACHER THREATENED: In the Prathom (primary) school a 2nd grade boy urinated in his pants while in class. As "punishment" the Thai teacher made the boy remove all lower body clothing and required the boy to stand genitals exposed before the whole of the class. When the foreign teacher in the class strenously and vociferously objected, he was swiftly and decisively removed from the classroom building to the director's office. The foreign teacher, a European, spoke of reporting the barbarous treatment of the child to the Ministry of Education. However, the foreign teacher emerged from the director's office pale and gaunt and said nothing for days. The foreign teacher later stated that he had been told to remain silent or suffer the (ultimate) consequence. Many foreign teachers believed that much more than the teacher's job was at stake as a result of his vehement objection to this so-described traditional and customary Thai practice, something one would expect with historical shame to read in a Dickens' novel. Yet, the Chinese-Thai ownership of the school saw the farang's strong reaction as a direct challenge and as a most serious threat to Thai history, customs and tradition.

Do beware these Ektra people......
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Re: Sarasas-all
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2006, 09:48:27 am »
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You could have used me? Ektra school used (abused) me for 6 years. With all of your repeated and predictable apologies for Sarasas, how could you have used me? You sound like a regular riot of a guy....

I'm assuming that this was meant to be on this thread and not the thread on Ektra you have started?
Everyone is 'used' in some way. How much we allow ourselves to be used is up to each individual.
For instance, I have just learned that my campus will not be making any PA worksheets or exams this year. We will be forced to use the assessments created at the Bangbon campus. I asked if we would be given these documents at the beginning of the term so that we can plan our lessons accordingly, given that different teachers using the same topics and textbooks will concentrate on different vocabulary and grammar structures. No, we will get the exams one week before the students will sit the test. Not acceptable. I will be making and printing my own assessment items. The admin at Bangbon will never know as they don't check. The exams are multiple choice tests so if I use the same answer key they will never find out about that either. Do what the Thais do, nod and wai and say thank you, and then do what you need to do regardless.
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Re: Sarasas-all
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2006, 11:32:27 pm »
Why is gonzo cosistently apologizing for the indefensible? The only training Sarasas, especially Ektra, gives its foreign teachers is to throw them into the classroom, where they soon find out that the foreign teacher is always wrong and the students are always right. Think for a moment about what this does to classroom management, not to mention trying to present a lesson. Trying to present a lesson is like trying to talk peace in the middle of a battlefield.
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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2006, 11:43:38 pm »
After having been 6 years at Ektra I know a few tricks of the trade myself. For example, take last year's Grade 10 exam on the same subject this year's Grade 10 is studying and rearrange the questons. It's never failed. You really needn't lecture me or others here on tricks of the trade, especially with all the slippery characters and activities that exist and ocurr in Thailand in general and at any Sarasas school (or just about any other school, bank, corporation, the government etc in Thailand) The adults learned their tricks doing cooperative testing in school, year in and year out, did they not?. Further, students at the international schools and bilingual schools already view their foreign teachers as their employees. Students have said so to me in reference to all "farang" teachers; many Thai teachers,  too. What kind of education system is that? It's certainly the opposite of our Western experience! AndI think this system is absurd, asinine and very much Old World.
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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2006, 02:36:15 pm »
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Why is gonzo cosistently apologizing for the indefensible?

Because I still work there and have to reconcile the bad with the good to find an acceptable compromise.

.......................especially with all the slippery characters and activities that exist and ocurr in Thailand in general and at any Sarasas school (or just about any other school, bank, corporation, the government etc in Thailand) ....................................... .....................What kind of education system is that? It's certainly the opposite of our Western experience! AndI think this system is absurd, asinine and very much Old World.

As do I. You make the same points as me in this post.

The problem is Thailand, not each individual school or business. They are just the front lines not the commanders of the recalcitrant attitude that is barely out of the stone age.
I am annoyed by certain people in the administration that abuse their power and privilege. These people need an object lesson in justice and fair play. One day that will happen and their smiles will truly be forced.

The school to me is the students, not the admin.
The students ARE Thailand and its future, not the admin.
The students are innocent of this nepotism.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2006, 02:39:14 pm by Gonzo »

 

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