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Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« on: April 28, 2006, 11:46:21 AM »
Definitely a candidate for the Hall of Shame. Reneged on end-of-contract air tickets. A sad end to two years of mostly positive employee-employer relations.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2006, 10:52:40 AM »
You think that they should be a Hall of Shame candidate because they reneged on end-of-contract air tickets?
If that is your only complaint, you should consider yourself very fortunate.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2006, 02:45:40 AM »
You think that they should be a Hall of Shame candidate because they reneged on end-of-contract air tickets?
If that is your only complaint, you should consider yourself very fortunate.

Thanks, Tainted. SBS probably agrees with you that I should consider myself very fortunate. Many others have suffered worse than I.
The seriousness of the fraud lies, not in my shameful self-pity, but in the number of people affected (all foreign teachers at the school) and the amount involved (high cost of tickets purchased at short notice by teachers multiplied by their number). But, hey, who gives a shit about them? I've got my own problems.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2006, 08:45:56 PM »
     So how many of the teachers including you left (did not renew your contract)?  Just curious.  And could you be more specific about the other problems.....I saw ads by this school not long ago.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2006, 12:40:03 PM »
There is nothing wrong with Satit. They pay well and on time. Has to be one of the highest paying schools I've ever seen. Facilities are good. Very young school, only 2 years old and trying to improve. Every school in thailand steals money. so, i don't understand what's the big deal. how much they steal and who does it is none of my business. all I want to know is that my check is there and on time at the end of the month. The rest of it is T.I.T.

Go tell the police  {j<o> . when they stop laughing let me know what they said about your tickets.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 06:46:24 PM »
 ^^^^

I am not wanting to start a war of words, but this type of farang "T.I.T" philosphy, like "mai ben rai", is a contributing cause to the problems at schools here.

You can't say there is nothing wrong with Satit Rangsit IF they have broken the contract of so many teachers.  Who cares about the facilities because schools should be more than just a building or buildings that are well stocked and look good!  According to Labour Law, it is their duty to pay on time so no extra points there.  And how much do they actually pay that you jump so quickly to their defense?   

Not every school in Thailand steals money, but, yes, on the most part, schools do like to cut corners where they can.  Schools are, after all, a business here.

The advice, mustafarodupyourpoopr, you give is poor.  If one wants to lodge a complaint, they have to go to the Labour Ministry, not the police.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2006, 12:34:08 PM »
rolling stone,
Thanks for the heads-up on this disgraceful theft of your (and your colleagues') wages.  As for the "just-lay-back-and-enjoy-getting-raped" attitude of Tainted Teacher and mustlefthisbrainsomewhere, that doesn't help you or other Satit teachers who needed to pay premium dollars for last-minute airfares.

Out of curiosity, since you enjoyed a relatively positive working relationship at the school for two years, how did the Thai administrators explain their reneging on the air tix?

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2006, 07:04:00 PM »
As mentioned by others, you should go to the Department of Labour Protection and Welfare.... International Labour Affairs Division in the ministry of Labour and Social Welfare at Mitmaitri RD, Dindaeng, BKK. They stay at 11th fl.

If You could get together with a common case your will be sure to Win - even in Thailand.

This department have many chief officiers who speaks very well english and they gets complaint every day from foreigners here.

I got a direct phone number and a person you should contact - PM me and I will provide your with these informations.....

Go ahead and sure a school like this needs to be in the hall of shame....

 

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 02:39:57 PM »

This school where I currently work also keeps both copies of your Teachers License, just for safe keeping. The school is going through Turmoil at present, due to the fact that the last principal ( now gone to China) rightly installed an IGCSE program, now its being changed back to a Thai Curriculum. Last year 130 or so students left, its true to say that about 100 joined. The management is in total disarray, how can we be expected to Teach Children a curriculum if the school itself has no Direction. Its just a very expensive Thai government school now, but as a colleague said the uniforms look good, as to backtracking on contracts, I agree with the others that said about being raped, it is true every word. Thailand needs good schools not ones like this.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2006, 12:21:10 PM »
Only international schools can become centres for Cambridge Examinations. I know because I checked with their regional coordinator in Singapore. Perhaps that is why they went back to a Thai curric'.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2006, 11:40:19 AM »
It's the old "trying to get someone to take responsibility problem" again or trying to get someone to actually make a decision at this f@$king School!!!! {..

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2006, 05:31:30 PM »
This School has been a total and utter mess for a long time, yes they might pay above average, but the management truly sucks, no one makes a decision, or is qualified to do so, its just a Thai mess as usual, they have many super stars of thai education but why oh why does it need to recruit every week almost. I will tell you why, people are wise to it, parents getting so thats why they leave in 100's a year. With the hindsight of the Mr Karr situation in Thailand, this school has many who bat for the other side, inc management.
A candidate for the hall of shame, certainly its worst than Siam International.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2006, 10:50:20 AM »
How right you are, I've worked in several schools in Asia and the Uk over the years and I have never come across such a two-faced, disorganised, lying, stealing and incompentant bunch of people in all my years. You couldn't trust them one inch and the way they treat staff is disgusting. Anybody who considers working there needs to reconsider very quickly.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2006, 12:57:51 PM »
Clearly all is not well at Satit, and those who suggest that teachers should just accept the decision of the school not to pay airfare costs back to the teachers are a part of the problem.

If you take it easy on the school and take "musthave........" advice, what next? reduced wages? no overtime? no end of year bonus? If it was agreed that the school would pay airfares then pay they should.

I would be interested to know some more details regarding other shenanigans the school have been up to. Do not get angry, u mention that they are they most two faced, disorganized, lying, etc. school you have ever worked for, any chance you can put some meat on the bones and throw us some examples.

If these boys are playing silly buggers then expose their scams for all, name calling is one thing, but to hit them where it hurts it would be more beneficial to highlight (as with the air tickets) what exactly they are (are not) doing that is causing the unrest.   

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2006, 07:07:48 PM »
I once went to an interview at Rangsit U. I had to do a demo class to some 3rd yr stu's. Walked in, put my BigC brief case on the table, took out my stolen marker pen and turned around. Only then did i discover the chalkboard glaring at me. The only piece of chalk available was about the size of a squirrel's right knacker. Needless to say, i was unsuccessfull in gaining employment.
Now....If the Uni can't join us all in the challenges of the 21st century, then what do we expect from some pumped up bilingual.
It's true that the word is out on this place.
Do we need more info?

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2006, 10:31:04 PM »
When this school opened in June of 2004 it had 1 principal and a highly competent group of about 25 native English speakers which were frequently described as one “one of the best groups of teachers seen in a Thai bilingual school”, however, since that time there have been 4 principals and 3 or 4 “academic directors” and only 6 or 7 of the original team of native English speaking teachers are remaining, and that’s in just over 2 years. High staff turn over is nothing new to Thai Bilingual Schools, but most schools at least make an effort to hold on to their best staff. Do you think the teachers that left were replaced by teachers of similar ability? Well, to be fair, some were and some weren’t, but there was no-one talking about “the best group of teachers seen in a Thai bilingual school” last time I was there, and do you think those 6 or 7 remaining teachers are looked after and rewarded for sticking by the school through thick and thin right from the start? Not likely; more likely is that the longer you stay, the more you start to see, realize and know about what is really go on. The more you know about what is really going on, the less you will be wanted. It’s only a matter of a short period of time until the entire original team is gone, the other decent teachers leave, and the entire school is over run with average/below average teachers who can exist happily in the knowledge that no-one around them is any better. “So what’s really going on?” you might ask. Well, in a discussion I once had with some of my former colleagues, the conclusion was reached that not one member of the management team has any experience running a school or any idea of how to do so, and to make matters worse, they actually know it, so anyone who may actually have even half an idea of how to really run a school would absolutely not be welcome at this school because of the risk they pose to showing up the current management. Someone would with any idea of how to run a school would ask questions that the management can’t answer, and would become very unpopular very quickly. This applied to teachers also, to the point that a once very vocal group of British teachers were seemingly silenced by the reality that their difficult questions in staff meetings and constant positive suggestions on how to improve things were not welcome. This school had one guy who could have taken the school forward at an alarming rate but now he’s gone (wonder why?).

Even with all the above in mind, unless someone else knows something I don’t, I don’t think it would be fair to put the school in the “Hall of Shame” after all, being incapable of running a school and not looking after teachers aren't crimes. The school management have been known to go back on their word with airfares. They have also been known to cut down promised holidays for the sake of “training”, and if you want to get paid for teaching extra curricular activities then you are probably going to have to fight for it, but other than that you get your visa, you get paid on time, you get your weekends (mostly), you get some paid holidays, and the work isn’t that difficult. There are worse schools out there. 

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2006, 11:33:07 PM »
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being incapable of running a school and not looking after teachers aren't crimes

Crimes against teachers?

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The school management have been known to go back on their word with airfares. They have also been known to cut down promised holidays for the sake of “training”, and if you want to get paid for teaching extra curricular activities then you are probably going to have to fight for it

Guilty as charged, m'lud!

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other than that you get your visa, you get paid on time, you get your weekends (mostly), you get some paid holidays

Phew

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There are worse schools out there

I'm sure there are, I just hope I never end up in one

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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2006, 06:17:43 AM »
   Satit sounds bad but not bad enuff. So where does that leave the situation at present? In need of more specific and detailed information, I would say, as have a few others who've posted so far concerning this school. Will or are there teachers with experience there, past and/or present, who would come forward with the specifics? Let's see....
« Last Edit: August 31, 2006, 06:19:32 AM by NamTok »

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2006, 11:50:43 AM »

Invisible makes some valid points, and I can guess who the person is, that said the topic was started about contractual agreements and the breaking of them. Of the original staff I would say that there is only 3 or 4 left as of yesterday. A contract is a contract and should be honored, some people did get their fares paid, one to the USA and the other to China, thats for certain. Management has changed constantly, now we are back to the old way, the one that was removed a long time ago. Curriculum is up in the air, as a parent whose child goes to this school we currently have no idea. Teachers in Upper school are being blamed for poor Maths/English, these teachers inheirited a poor bunch of students, so bad the simple English and Maths understanding is beyond them completely. Teachers get accused of things and blamed because management has no idea, it was a school that had no entrance exam to get in, anyone could come as long as the money was there, the upper school is especially so, although if you believe the web page, OUR KIDS ARE BILINGUAL IN 2 YEARS COMPLETELY!!!  Completely false more like.

Apart from Air Fares these are the other things the school does.

In your last month you pay extra Tax ( Significant Amount )
They say they have overpaid you, so they deduct it
You are stopped Social but dont get till after 4 months
They tax you from Day 1 but it does not appear on your Tor Tor 10 tax form that you have paid
As of yesterday a Teacher was stopped 20000 baht for not signing in this month, about 40% of salary

If this sounds like your place, go ahead and apply,everyone welcome

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2006, 12:54:48 PM »
AF,

Thanks, you have given a good insight into the "extras" that SBS can offer EFL teachers.

Did they give any reason as to why some people had their airfares paid and others didn't?

Anymore info out there that should be put into the public domain?


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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2006, 01:19:47 PM »

Anyonefortennis

As to air fares, they were threats of legal action by one member over this issue. There is a rumour going round about an impending lawsuit. The school will try to avoid any legal cases would be my guess, as if it gets out, students numbers will drop very fast, hope this helps

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2006, 01:30:17 PM »
This school has more problems than you can count. The management has not been stable since opening, gone through at least 4 different directors. They tell you one thing in your opening interview, then when you sign the contract any benefits are missing and your salary is lower than expected. I had an excellent review after my 120 days of probation, they said the bonus I was told I would receive at the end of my contract had been taken away because the previous week the management decided to do away with bonuses. Plus, they were unwilling to raise my salary, to the level discussed. So, as any self respecting person would do, I quit. O0

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2006, 10:49:29 AM »
More chiefs than indians and the admin staff, even the low level ones think they are your boss!! ???

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2006, 12:13:28 PM »
A couple of posts have been removed for violating board policy on making unsubstantiated sexual allegations against teachers at a school.  This board is not the place; try the police.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2006, 07:26:23 AM »
The School has photographic evidence--any how the police would be bribed!!!!

MSPSL signing off for good---no freedom of speach here---delete that if you will!!


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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2006, 08:11:06 AM »
I don't think anybody will delete your post, what would be the point?

Do you see Teflwatch as a substitute for the police who you consider to be incapable of handling criminal investigations.  I'm not sorry to inform you that you are wrong!  If you think an anonymous web-forum is an appropriate place to make serious criminal allegations then once again you are misinformed!

Cal it a "freedom of speech" issue if you like - the simple fact is that allegations of criminal activity by teachers have no place on this board.  We are not in the business of defending teachers when crimes have been committed, but we are certainly not in the business of allowing unchecked allegations based on invisible evidence to be aired.  It's as simple as that!
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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2006, 08:26:16 AM »
There are many boards out there that allow you or even encourage you to rat out and drag down your fellow teachers. This is not the place. This is the place to speak good and bad about your school, no more, no less.

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2006, 07:02:53 PM »
There is nothing wrong with Satit. They pay well and on time. Has to be one of the highest paying schools I've ever seen. Facilities are good. Very young school, only 2 years old and trying to improve. Every school in thailand steals money. so, i don't understand what's the big deal. how much they steal and who does it is none of my business. all I want to know is that my check is there and on time at the end of the month. The rest of it is T.I.T.

Go tell the police  {j<o> . when they stop laughing let me know what they said about your tickets.

 Let me say that I am full of crap. I agree with myself when I said that I don't know about contracts being broken because they haven't broken mine yet, but this school is still a bunch of bullcrap. How can they get away with stealing the kids money? you know that the students are wondering where their money is going? they have a new building but the learning and the resources for them are not there and they know it. they have told me they would fire ALL management. this is the secondary kids telling me that. even the kids know the school is full of hot air. when I try to help, i am of course ignored to no end. i cannot believe the stuff that comes out at the meetings. you know they still don't know how to test the kids? they can't figure out a schedule to save their lives and by admission of the proncipal, they lost ALL grades for the whole first year the school was opened. they still don't even know how to keep the grades in a centralised location so everyone is fumbling around with floppies and USB sticks with excel spreadsheets like a poor government school. What a freaking joke. I was an idiot. Forgive me...

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2006, 01:57:36 PM »
Well, yet another FARANG gets the boot for apparently no reason!!!!!!!!

Face does not fit obviously.

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Satit Bi Lingual
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2007, 05:10:43 PM »
I hear they currently need teachers, any updates on what its like there?

Thanks :canada:

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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2007, 08:42:55 PM »
Which Satit?  There are several.  Please name the exact school because not all Satits are the same, by far.

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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2007, 06:50:55 AM »
Satit at Rangsit, building looks good. Thanks

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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2007, 07:03:40 AM »
http://www.teflwatch.org/forum/index.php/topic,250.0.html

That should answer some of your questions. I'll merge this thread with that in a day or two.


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Re: Satit Bi Lingual
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2007, 06:40:30 PM »
Mods/Nemesis,

Would you please merge the threads as metioned in the above post. Thanks!

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2007, 06:55:32 PM »
I am interested in any updates on this thread. I would specifically be interested in hearing from any current employees regarding management/teacher relations, the extent to which current and recent contracts are being held to and the general tone and "contentedness" of staff.

Several positions are currently open and I am seeking a heads up that could be helpful in deciding to turn down an offer of employment or in negotiating a contract. Thanks! 

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2007, 07:49:35 PM »
Merged

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Re: Satit Bilingual School of Rangsit University
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2010, 11:17:45 AM »
I just want to put in my 2 cents about Satit Bilingual School...

I was offered a contract stating 52.800 thb (including housing allowance) a month as a music teacher in February 2010. I signed the contract and thought that I would get my copy within one or two days. At the same time I signed a contract for teaching Mondays and Fridays for Summer Camp in April, since I had nothing else to do at the moment.

However, I never saw the contracts again - so, every 2 days a week at Summer Camp I would go to HR to ask for my contracts. "Not ready yet", would be the reply. Finally, they told me that the owner was in Dubai, and therefore could not sign them. Okay, I thought, I'll wait until start of Term 10/05.

Then, the week before that, HR suddenly called me and asked if I could come in immediately. I asked if there was a problem, but no answer, just: "you come today, yes?" So, I hurried there, to be informed by the Head of HR that the owner objected to my 2-year contractual salary, since I was not from a native English-speaking country. So, in her opinion, I fell into another category of teachers and would only get max. 40.000 a month, even though I'm completely fluent in English and teaching Music, not English. But it was no problem, he said, because they wanted to pay me 52.8000, they just had to consider all the other non-native English teachers. He told me that one option was maybe to pay me by the hour instead, but this was something he had to talk to the owner about, which he promised to do before Monday 10/05. This is where the small alarm clock in the back of my head really started to ring. I had heard many romours from teachers (and others in Thai society) already about the owner and the general management of the school, and had experienced the total lack of information-flow and organization during Summer Camp, and this confirmed many of my suspicions.

On Monday 10/05, I had first of all received no information about when to come to work for my first day there, but I knew that the working day was 7.30-16.30, so naturally I made sure to be there BEFORE 7.30 - since I didn't want to be late for my first day. But, me, and a bunch of other new employees simply milled around like confused cattle until someone from HR finally showed up around 9.00...

A little bit later, I met with the Head of HR again, but he still hadn't talked to the owner. I had been thinking about it, though, and told him that if they wanted to hire me on an hourly basis, then my hourly wage would have to reflect the fact that they originally promised me 52.800 pr month, including sick leave, holidays and other benefits I would NOT have if I was paid by the hour. I basically told him to show me my teaching load pr. week and a full school year schedule, and then I would be able to calculate the appropriate hourly wage by multiplying 52.800 by 12 and dividing this by the sum total teaching hours per year, rounding up a bit to compensate for the 10 day sick leave pr. year that was part of the original contract. I said that my rough estimation was something around 700 thb pr. hour. He visibly balked at this, and it was clear to me that he had not expected me to be able to take all these factors into account. He told me that he and the musical director would talk to the owner about this. But, as the day wore on, nothing happened. So, in the end, I decided to save them the trouble and told him I was leaving...

He seemed like a nice guy, but how much was the famous Thai smile, I cannot say. It is my impression that this school suffers, like so many other Thai schools, from the fact that the owners are simply interested in getting money and saving money, no matter what...

 

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