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Offline wallyonek

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Scammed in Chiang Mai
« on: November 25, 2007, 04:34:51 PM »
TEFL Horror Story
I have recently done a TEFL class run by a private concern in Chiang Mai Thailand.

My experience was extremely unsatisfactory. Here a few of the details. I now see the importance of checking out any school you plan on enrolling in. I feel like these folks really conned me or at least let their desire to enrol ($$$) me outweigh any other concerns. Not a good feeling, trust me.

I am a teacher/tutor with 40 years of experience both in the classroom and as an entrepreneur privately tutoring students in their homes. I have excellent recommendations from the educational community.

So here goes

I just ended at TEFL experience with someone I believe was a bit of an egocentric, or perhaps just overstressed.  A does have an impressive resume. My relationship with him as a tutor was abysmal. The cost of the program was $600 for two weeks of private tutoring. This is a good sum for Thailand. I was told that CELTA was the sponsor of the certificate I was to receive. – I have since found out this is not the case. *Please see the note below.

I did not have sufficient grammatical background to take this class. However there was no testing or evaluation up front to determine whether or not the class, as it was designed, was right for me. The only evaluation was as the meeting with A and B his partner a few times. They were clearly eager to get me signed up but not so vigilant in terms of making sure this would be the right class for me. They both seemed to think it would be a good experience for me.  It has not been a good experience.

A exhibited several unprofessional behaviours during our sessions. The sessions were an exercise in frustration. He was rarely there on time and I got many messages indicating they would be late. There was always a good excuse. I had a great deal of trouble working with A. The sessions generally lasted a two to four hours. The course promised a five-hour session. Much of the time was spent in conversation not on task. I was told this was Thai time!

A seemed very frustrated with my inability to understand what he had to say. Several times leaving the session for a cigarette.  He was teaching well above my level of understanding. I am a senior citizen and have not been in a classroom situation in years. I chose the tutoring situation so that I might get some individual attention and that my individual needs would be addressed. Although it got a bit better as time progressed there never was the enough trust developed between us for the learning to be effective.  KISS was talked about but used infrequently.

During the first two days he drank beer during our tutoring session. I found this very uncomfortable and unprofessional though I did not mention it at the time. He and his girlfriend would have arguments and discussions unrelated to the tutoring in front of me. I heard too much of about the problems he was having in his work and life.  I know enough that when I tutor someone I have to leave these personal matters at home. I sometimes felt I was in a dysfunctional family.  He borrowed 500B and a library book from me. I am still waiting for their return.  I called B and requested the materials I gave to A be returned to me along with the 500B. Apparently we both felt it was a poor fit. Maybe some clause in the contract that would allow for partial return of tuition would be appropriate.

I also feel I was not given the respect and recognition I deserved as a fellow educator.  I imagine he was unhappy with my progress and feeling the pressure to have me finish the class.
I discussed this matter with B and A and let them know in clear terms what were my needs were in the matter. I explained that I was unconcerned about receiving a certificate but I would like to use the time to catch up in some of the areas in which I was weak.  I also explained that I was primary interested in doing one to one tutoring not teaching is a classroom setting.  I did not seem to get though to either one of them in this regard. They seemed quite inflexible in terms of the format of the class. I let them know I did not need a certificate so A would not feel he would lose credibility with Celt. If indeed this was a Celta offering. When I suggested that we complete the number of hours (25) still due me by meeting for a few hours every other day or at their convenience, A quickly nixed this idea.  He stated that the course was not meant for this purpose and that we would have to end it in a few days because he had other obligations. This felt to me a bit unfair and I expressed this to A. A offered to discuss it but given the treatment I had received thus far I did not feel at this point that there was much room for discussion. As he will tell you, I left unhappy and dissatisfied and not feeling like I had been treated in a professional manner.

Clearly this all could have been avoided if there had been some sort of screening procedure in place. We both would have seen that I did not have the skills necessary to do the class as A saw it.  I could have walked out of there a happy man and $600 or so to the better. I believe this to be a more professional way to do things.

Sometimes I felt that I had to live up to A’s standard rather than listen to my own needs in the matter. This caused me to feel very tense and anxious in his presence. Rarely if at all was I asked how things were going. Remember this is a one on one learning situation.
I have been involved in this activity for 35 years myself teaching mathematics.  I often check in with my students (adults and kids). I often check in with them to see how the tutoring process is going with them.  For example – are we going to slow?  Or am I going too fast? Many times A seemed oblivious to my needs.

I know as a newbie in Thailand there were many indications I did not pick up on. It was a learning experience. Eh? I have been working with a lawyer to try and get some justice here. As one might expect A has not been available for  phone calls or legal correspondence.

So be careful out there!! Hope you can get something out of my mistake.
Peace to ya

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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2007, 05:24:27 PM »
Almost certain that I've read this story before.  I had a quick look around this site and can't find it.

Perhaps the OP would come back with a link to let us all know where the story came from ;D  Or in any case give us a bit more information.

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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2007, 05:25:54 PM »
OK ..... found it ..... http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/staffroom/22715-tefl-horror-story.html


Thread Locked - OP, if it's a genuine story then send me an e-mail and convince me  {<>
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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2007, 05:14:23 PM »
Thanks for the e-mail ..... apparently it's a genuine story.  I'll reopen it for now although I must admit that I am still a little mystified as to why the OP has chosen to restart a thread here with a "recent" story that was very badly received over on another Thai teaching forum four months ago.

Like I said, I'll reopen it and see what happens.

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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2007, 06:06:19 PM »
Is this Teach in Paradise?

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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2007, 09:47:10 PM »
Johnny, that rumour has already been jaked around and about, elsewhere. 

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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2007, 06:07:44 PM »
Bit odd this one.

It reads exactly like a post on Ajarn in July. I think it's the same guy posting.

In July he wrote that he had "just done" this course. Now he also just did it. Sounds like some kind of sour grapes.

I don't deny the possiblility that he got stung or attended a crap course. By all means, tell us and warn people.

But...................................

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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 05:38:46 AM »
Yeah we know!  I posted the link to the ajarn post above!  Thing is the guy sent me an e-mail and said he was genuine ..... must admit it's a strange one!  His parting shot (3 months ago!!!!) over at ajarn was that he was going to come straight here with his story.

Thing is, if it's sour grapes then why doesn't he follow it through or even try to post a name of a course provider?  I can't work it out .... our rules allow him to name the TEFL course provider, yet he hasn't!

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I don't deny the possiblility that he got stung or attended a crap course. By all means, tell us and warn people.

But...................................

I agree .... without naming the course provider the whole thread is a waste of time in any case.  It's not even well written or a particularly interesting story!

Hey-ho!

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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2007, 12:27:00 AM »
The theme song is either "Hold My Hand, I'm a Stranger in Paradise" or "Paradise City."

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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2007, 05:22:10 PM »
The OP e-mailed me to say that 'the council' had advised him not to name and shame, he added that it is not Teach in Paradise and insisted that he is trying to advise others in his position.

I have no reason to doubt any of this really ;D

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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2007, 05:02:08 AM »
A further e-mail seems to imply that it may not be true to say that he is not talking about Teaching in Paradise ..... to be honest I'm more than a little confused  :didisay:

Also it appears that in a clever ironic twist, when the OP referred to 'the council' in an earlier e-mail, he was actually referring to 'his counsel' - it seems he is pursuing the matter through the courts here in Thailand.  I just hope that he is more specific with information in that course of action than he has been here  {--

A further note, it seems that the OP is reading the thread here and posting his additions by way of an e-mail to me that I feel obliged to then pass on to the board.  Perhaps I could be saved a few precious minutes if he were to just post on the thread - that is, after all, what bulletin boards were designed for  ;D

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Re: Scammed in Chiang Mai
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2007, 09:51:31 PM »
I did not say it was Teaching in Paradise.  But from the earlier report, I suspect it was.

 

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