Topic: Contact INFO, M.o.Ed. Bangkok, Corporal Punishment

[SusanRichardson]

Anyone have a name or specific address/phone in Bangkok of the office which handles corporal punishment enforcement. By enforcement, I mean someone who cares when the law is violated. Thanks. Susan

[Johnny Rotten]

I believe corporal punishment in schools was made illegal a few years back. Maybe, if you have a complaint, you should go to the police.

[SusanRichardson]

I believe corporal punishment in schools was made illegal a few years back. Maybe, if you have a complaint, you should go to the police.

The police indicate the complaint has to come from the parent to be prosecuted. Susan

[Geekboy]

How long have you been teaching in Thailand, Susan? Get real. Thai students learn best in classes where the teacher carries a stick.

[hero]

The police indicate the complaint has to come from the parent to be prosecuted.

Case closed

[retiredstillteaching]

I should think a call to the MoE should elicit some sort of positive response to any teacher, farang or Thai, who objects to the whacking of students and who wants to find out if there's any consequence the MoE itself can bring down on the school.

[bomha]

Susan, would you care to tell us something about why you want to call the MoE about corporal punishment?

[hero]

I should think a call to the MoE should elicit some sort of positive response to any teacher, farang or Thai, who objects to the whacking of students and who wants to find out if there's any consequence the MoE itself can bring down on the school.

Ha ha ha

What admirable naivety of Thai bureaucracy from one so long in the tooth - quite touching actually

Susan, would you care to tell us something about why you want to call the MoE about corporal punishment?

Pretty sure we don't want to know mate 

[retiredstillteaching]

Thank you for your kindness, Saint Hero. I do think and believe that, faced with a demanding parent, the MoE might have to get off its duff for a change to enforce the law.

[Topper]

RST,

What law enforcement powers does the MOE have?  I'd be willing to bet their first response would be something like.....

"Have the parents call the police and have the police investigate the incident."

I'm amazed with all your "experiences" you are not aware of that.....but I guess thats why its called amazing Thailand....or is that India....oh well, you know what I mean.

[hero]

faced with a demanding parent, the MoE might have to get off its duff for a change to enforce the law

Er .... you missed the point of the thread .... if there was a demanding parent then the police would be the agency to turn to.

As it is we have a 'meddlesome foreign teacher' (not casting aspersions personally - just seeing it through a Thai bureaucrat's eyes) with a 'tale' in which the parents clearly aren't interested.  The MoE would be about as interested in that as I am in NBA basketball!

Although you are welcome to spend a day on the phone finding that out ..... just don't say I didn't warn you.  In fact it's a dare, you find me a bureaucrat at the MoE who gives a shit about a complaint regarding corporal punishment from a farang teacher and I promise to give you positive karma every day for a fortnight - thus raising you to a status higher than tiresome drivel-peddlar at this site 

[retiredstillteaching]

I said parent. Talk about missing the point!

[Thai Me Up]

By enforcement, I mean someone who cares when the law is violated. Thanks. Susan

Well Susan, if YOU care when the law is violated, why don't you speak to the teacher or administrator who is doing the beating and tell them to cut it out?

If the violator is a co-teacher and you don't have the stomach for confrontation, then tell your assistant director or school director, and you will be viewed as a meddlesome and naive foreign teacher.  If you go over everyone's head and file a police complaint, you will be fired from your job faster than shit through a goose.

I'm not sure what your home country is, but if it's the UK or USA, you would always begin with the co-teacher and proceed to the next level of school admin.   

[Nemesis]

The teacher is Thai, well find a thai person to write a letter in Thai saying that 'someone' doesn't like what they are doing with the kids. Leave this someplace where the teacher will find it and they'll just think it's a Thai person and they'll be scared and try to see which Thai teachers is complaining about them.

If the teacher is a foreigner, just write a note in very badly written English telling them if you not stop hit students and you not stop being serious with students. I go to police station. They tell you leave Thailand. You very bad.   

[Pavlovsdog]

^  Very good, practical advice!  A complaint to the MOE would, at best, be met with mock concern.  If they didn't just tell you that it's up to the parents to complain and f-off, then they would pretend to listen sympathetically and then do nothing.

If the parents complained (and they had any status), something would be done.  As a foreigner, you won't get anywhere with this.

[beenaroundawhile01]

 
Well put Nemesis, Love your work.

[Nemesis]

Exactly, it's why I advise to push it into a Thai issue, we can never get anywhere.

I had a foreign teacher I was working with a couple of years ago. He was going out with an m5 student in another school. She just happened to be my wife's student. When I thought it was just dating, I talked to the teacher. It ended up that he told some lies about me. Ok.

Later, when he broke up with the girl because she wouldn't have sex with him and she was in tears. She showed my wife all of this pervert's sms and email messages. She was too scared to tell her parents because she thought she'd get into trouble and the teacher was blaming her.

So what to do? I talked him again and he proceeded to spread evil rumors about my wife around town. He claimed to be the victim (no, we aren't talking about Bruce here!) of such evilness. He claimed also that this girl, this m5 student, threw herself at him and he couldn't overcome her charms. Poor victim. 

At this point, I went to our director since his actions were affecting the work environment and I thought a pedo shouldn't be working at the school. Well, she said that she already knew about the situation and she heard that the girl wasn't a good girl. End of discussion.

At the end of the year, I left and he stayed on for another year.

Interesting side note: He hires young girls to come in on the weekend to clean his home and do other things for him. Everyone in NST knows who I am talking about.

[bomha]

I hoped that Susan, the OP with the conscience, would provide us with some details about the gravity of this matter, to better give us an idea of the offenses.  Is a Thai teacher merely slapping a couple of kids on the head during assembly?  Is the Director having sexual affairs with several M3 girls?  Is a certain student being beaten with bruises and scars?  Is the offender Thai or farang or filipina?

[Thai Me Up]

I hoped that Susan, the OP with the conscience, would provide us with some details about the gravity of this matter, to better give us an idea of the offenses.  Is a Thai teacher merely slapping a couple of kids on the head during assembly?  Is the Director having sexual affairs with several M3 girls?  Is a certain student being beaten with bruises and scars?  Is the offender Thai or farang or filipina?

ROFLMAO
Great lurid imagination you have going there.  bomha, I think you could pen a pulp fiction story using some of those questions.  For example,
"...she told me that she struggled against his fervid embraces, but finally succumbed to his wicked charms.  To her horror, she felt hiss large, sweaty palm against her chest, struggling to undo the top button of her neatly pressed Girl Scout Uniform.  'Oh no, no, NO!' she wanted to shout, unable to as he was the authority figure and she had been such a bad girl.  'If only I had done the 20 squat thrusts like the other late girl,' she lamented, 'I wouldn't have this brute crushing me against his horrid body, his foul breath..."

Anyone can continue this story since bomha really needs to know.  Susan, oh, SUSAN, OP, where are you???

[bomha]

Well, I was not asking for all of the lurid details, but thanks for titilating us with possibilities.     But Susan R did not even mention the extent of the offence, so it seems to matter whether the authority figure is just bopping the students on the head as my Yank friend  calls it.  I have seen Thai teachers get away with punishment that a farang would not try to administer.

[Thai Me Up]

bomha,
I think it's safe to say that "Susan Richardson has left the building."

What's with these OPs who raise an issue then never check in again to answer questions or further reflect on their "concerns?"

I say lock this thread or else I'm going to continue my pulp fiction version of what may or may not have happened, and I will use the phrase "turgid member" in my next post.   

[retiredstillteaching]

"Okay, Master Thai Teacher, I'm glad you're finally happy and satisfied but you need to get off me now 'cause you're crushing my cigarettes."

The OP indeed has done an Elvis.

(P.S. TW, why izzn't there an OZ flag among the available incons??)

[SusanRichardson]

I'm here. Sorry guys and girls. I'm not getting any email notifications or replies. I'll try and sort that out.

Did someone have a question specifically for me?

How severe is the abuse? Enough to justify in my mind anyhow, a call/report.

Who knows what is going on in this regard? Everyone.

Who cares? The victims and myself.

Susan

[SusanRichardson]

Susan, would you care to tell us something about why you want to call the MoE about corporal punishment?

Because the complaints to the school have done absolutely nothing in the way of reduction or concern. Susan

[SusanRichardson]

I'm not sure what your home country is, but if it's the UK or USA, you would always begin with the co-teacher and proceed to the next level of school admin.   

Done in the order you suggest without result. Susan

[SusanRichardson]

I hoped that Susan, the OP with the conscience, would provide us with some details about the gravity of this matter, to better give us an idea of the offenses.  Is a Thai teacher merely slapping a couple of kids on the head during assembly?  Is the Director having sexual affairs with several M3 girls?  Is a certain student being beaten with bruises and scars?  Is the offender Thai or farang or filipina?

The sticks are everywhere and used with different severity.

Nothing was mentioned about sexual affairs with M3girls or any students.

Bruises and scar investagation would require pants/shirts be removed. No thanks.

I thought Filipinas were considered farangs by Thai people? Are they(Filipinas(and Indians and Africans)) exempt from farang discrimination as I have often noticed seems to be the case?

Susan

[SusanRichardson]

What's with these OPs who raise an issue then never check in again to answer questions or further reflect on their "concerns?"

The last notice I got was "case closed". Regrets. I'm here, I'll post, I'm not afraid of losing my job because I am a woman, have a degree, have experience, have a good track record, and don't moleste or abuse children. That should get me at least an offer of 25,000baht for full time work. Susan