Topic: New C.T.T.P laws

[7baht]

Here we go again , now its 27 credits and "$90,000 baht" for the CTTP course being forced on us.  And the thai cultural "mai pen rai" course  "$300 baht".

Do you really think these blood sucking school owners are going to shell this kind of money on us...HELL NO !!!  They wont even buy books for students or photocpoies without a royal decree from the Queen of "xxxxxxxxx".

Info # "02-244-5506"

WHO WANTS TO GO TO KOREA WITH ME>>>>>>>>>IM SICK OF THIS BULLSHIT IN THAILAND

7baht

[Topper]

Can you share where you got this information from?

[7baht]

Yes
I was checking on the TL online, thinking to do it myself and ran across ajarn link to TLs in thailand and i read it there and made the call to the refernce number they listed for details to join the class.....

[7baht]

Doesnt apply to government schools at the moment I think

[retiredstillteaching]

It's as I've said and others have stated, how many farang teachers are going to be needed in a "sufficiency" economy that relies heavily on uneducated villagers making junk products and selling the "goods" to one another in a meaningless circle from Chaing Mai to Nakhon Si Thammarat? SME's = Small and Meaningless Enterprises.

Thai MoE officials and school owners are happy to think that the Thais who have majored at uny in English Language Education have already been sufficiently developed by farang to the point that farang teachers aren't needed in the classroom any more. Besides, or so the owners and MoE think, there are plenty of Filipinos who accept 1/3 the farang wage. 

As to Korea, where I taught in the government schools from 1996-98, the MoE there is finally giving up on their farang in the classroom program (one foreign native speaker per school) 'cause it's become clear that the program doesn't work. Anyone anyway knows no one can learn conversational English with a farang or an Eskimo in the classroom for only one hour a week. There are private schools in Korea which might be worth going (back) to, but the owners were tyrants while I wuz there. I should ask my Korean friends how the private schools are there these days.

[7baht]

Retired

I have about reached my point with Thailand MOE. As my friend from New Zealand once said " the Good Ole Days in Thailand are over". I think he is right.
Being warned about Korea is more than I got before arriving here.

Returning the USA doesnt appeal to me at the moment. I would like to expose my children to as many asian cultures as i can before giving up the ghost and returning to Red Neck Ville, USA.

Always some scam against farangs

7baht

[retiredstillteaching]

7baht,

The private schools in Korea are primarily schools that operate after regular school hours and all days and into the evenings weekends. These schools are HUGELY populated by deadly serious students from primary to university levels. I could deal with that if only the owners weren't Hitlers towards their teachers.

Contrasted to Thailand, there are a handful of privately owned K-12 schools in Korea. Also in contrast to Thailand, the public school system in Korea is universal and tax supported K-12 and of a much higher (if still traditional Confucian) caliber than any education in Thailand.

If you and others might be interested, I can contact some of my Korean-American friends who teach at a couple of the many after hours and weekend schools in Korea, called Hogwans, for updated info on working terms and conditions.

[7baht]

Information is always a good thing to have...send me a cup

7baht

[retiredstillteaching]

Gimme a day or two as I'm on it and will await replies from Korea...

[retiredstillteaching]

Yep, my friends in Korea say it's the same same as to the Hagwons in Korea, ie, the proprietary schools that offer classes after school weekdays and almost 24 hours a day weekends (!). There are some good ones, as in the institutional ones, but the vast majority of hagwons that are privately owned by some jerk continue to be awful and to be avoided.

The government is folding its native teacher in the classroom program in the government schools, or drasticly reducing it.

As to universities, I'm advised that the same remains true today as it did when I was in Korea, ie, that the universities are the best deal and usually are very good deals by any standard. I'll have to check this aspect out. A farang with a Ph.D is worth his weight in gold in getting a uny job in Korea; a master degree gets the red carpet rolled out. My M.A. would position me well in Korea.

I hope this updated info about Korea from some friends I've continued contact with from my long since time in Korea is as helpful to you as it suddenly is to me.

When I taught in the government schools program in Korea in the late 90s, when it was initiated, my (assigned) roommate taught at an all boys high school for a year then used his Ph.D. to get a faculty position teaching English at an all womens university. I taught high school for two years then came to Thailand to get swindled by Chulalongkorn University (where, incidentally, only 50% of the faculty have doctoral degrees.).

Thailand's had its ups and downs and, after 10 consecutive years here, I've had my bags half packed for a couple of months now. A uny in Korea, where education (traditional Confucian as it is) is everything, sounds good, really good. (And to think, many, many moons ago I left Korea to come to Thailand to join a university faculty and met with a complete swindle...never heard of a farang getting swindled by a university in Korea.)   

[airpuka]

I don't understand...CTTP course what is that and why is it 90,000 baht?

[7baht]

CTTP is just another shell and pea game operated in thailand to milk the farangs.  just pay what they want and move on, like the great Tefl scam requirements in thailand, never ending crap

[bomha]

There are no requirements to teach English in Thailand.  There are unending requirements.  It depends.  If I was working at a decent school and they brought up a new 90,000 baht requirement, I would say it is not in this year's contract, so get yourself a new, stupid farang for next year.

[7baht]

1000 farang teachers are having their criminal history checked by the Thai police ...according to the bkk post paper, guess im busted for the DUI 15 years ago.

Schools really need to clean out this lag of slag hiding in thailand under the cuise of being a teacher.

While visiting a university the other day and having a discussion about background checks with the Dean, i mentioned using NCIC or some other company off the internet to check teacher backgrounds, they just stared at me in disbelief or shock from how easy background checks can be performed for a mere $50 usa and in under a minute.

Also  !!! hahahah one could as easily background check the Boss and see his/her history as well

[Nemesis]

Unfortunately, those background checks aren't very thorough online. In 2004, I went back to the US for short stint. the job I got had a background check. What it entailed is a check on county records in any county you've lived in the last 5 years. Convictions are a matter of public records are frequently found on credit reports as well. For me that meant just putting down the county I had just moved to 4 days earlier. How accurate of a check is that?

[7baht]

Background checks are good...example..true example in my case...........i went to buy a pistol and they ran a background check on me and then informed me i couldnt own a gun. they ask me to drop by the sheriff's office and they would discuss it with me....

I was informed that I had a sexual charge against me.......talk about a jaw dropper.
I ask where from and they told me the state and i blew up..........that state had filed all its charges of assault into a single microfilmed file titled assault / sexual. The whole thing was i got into a fight at a local bar with a guy and the case was thrown out of court. If it hadnt been for the back ground check i would have never discovered this and this might could explain why i was refused several jobs with the government in the security area.

I would advise people to check their own police records...crap like this happens and can black list you. In my case i had to threaten with a law suit before they sent me a letter stating the error from that state.

[retiredstillteaching]

In the US all one has to do is ask the FBI if they have anything about you. I did this in the 1970s to see if the Feds had anything on me for my anti-Vietnam War activities; they said no.

In the country where I'm currently eyeing and discussing a teaching job a police background check is required of every foreigner seeking to enter the country. A country has the inherent and absolute right to control its borders, so I haven't any problem with police background checks by governments or potential employers.

The problems occur when a government's classification and record keeping systems are poorly organized or organized without much care or attenton to accuracy and detail, as 7baht points out in his experience.

This background stuff still needs a lot of accurate sorting out by many governments, including in the West.

[airpuka]

I wish the thai government would just come out with a list of requirments and not change them every 2 weeks, these people in power are very unorganized and stupid.