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Offline chesterford

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TEFL International Songkhla
« on: March 17, 2006, 09:52:54 am »
What's the deal with these guys?  Is this a scam?   They're looking for 20 teachers, but a dicky bird or 2 tell me that they are not 100% kosher.  I'm hearing about management with moody qualifications, clients poached from other agencies, and the official TEFL International allegedly crying foul.  Has anyone worked for them?  What kind of schools are they farming out to?  Do they pay on time and are they what they claim to be?

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2006, 07:18:54 pm »
When was the last time that Hat Yai-UP advertised for a teacher? Could it be them or ???? I had assumed it ws Bruce's TEFL International, sure wish we could get Bruce on this forum to let everyone know that he is most definetely not involved, some teachers may get suckered in.

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2006, 11:47:55 pm »
It certainly is not me and that school has nothing to do with TEFL International. ?If you want to work for a school that will blatantly scam a name and even a logo from another school, go ahead. ? ????

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2006, 07:02:09 am »
Thanks, Bruce, for coming here to set the record straight on the agency. An untold number of teachers have applied for the positions based on the name TEFL International. I sure you can pursue legal remedies against the agency.

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2006, 10:59:57 am »
This strange outfit is now advertising on ajarn.com  under the name "Language and Professional Development Center."  >:DAlthough he cannot even spell the damn name correctly! {j<o>!
He's now claiming to have 7 centers throughout Thailand and major coporate clients??

This is misleading to any would be applicants, cant Phil do something against such an obvious sham?? ???

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2006, 09:22:32 pm »
Had one or two bits of feedback from a guy who worked for his current setup.  They were paid on time, but this person was only on part-time with him and did not get any kind of documentation off him.  I've not yet found anyone who has worked for him fulltime, but a friend worked for this guy when he worked at Thaksin Uni's TIFL language center and quit due to various problems with working conditions.  I understand that this guy was also fired from this Uni for being unable to produce paperwork to justify expenses.

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This strange outfit is now advertising on ajarn.com  under the name "Language and Professional Development Center."  >:DAlthough he cannot even spell the damn name correctly!

Yes, this is the same guy, easily checked by the owners email address.


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Email Address

tiflron@yahoo.com

Gotta laugh at the description.....

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Description

We are an International Education Consultancy Company with seven centers in Thailand and have over 7000 registered students with our partner schools nationwide, we also teach and conduct courses with some major corporate clients and many local goverment offices.
We are looking to appoint another 11 teachers to work in various locations, Bangkok, Songkhla, Nakorn Si Thammarat and Hat Yai.
The salaries for the positions are all 30000 THB a month for between 20-23 hours a week face to face teaching, all contracts will be for a period of 12 months and WP and Visa assistance is provided.
Applicants should have a Degree and a TEFL certificate and will need to submit a resume, a recent photo and copies of their qualifications as attachments ( not in the body of the email)
The positions are only open to teachers from English speaking countries.Couples are welcome.
Send your details and applications to the HR Department: teflthailand@gmail.com

Let's see...
International? An office in Songkhla makes him international?
Seven Centers? One man band more like.
7,000 registered students...possibly if he means the sum total of all the students in the boonie middle of Nahkon Nowhere schools he farms out to....sounds good anyway.

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Send your details and applications to the HR Department:
(HR department lol!)

What a joke!
« Last Edit: March 22, 2006, 08:08:01 am by Uncle Che »

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2006, 02:29:43 am »
There are several real cowboy agencies working in Songkla... "LDMA" and "grasshopper" from ajarnforum.net have mentioned some before.... These guys sound new and even worse  >:(

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2006, 02:07:11 pm »
Having been "ousted" fom Ajarn.com and having to change his name. This guy is trying to resurrect himself as Tefl International at other teaching web sites, see http://www.tefl.com/jobs/job.html?jo_id=22056

Bruce, u gotta stop him, he has a tarnished and checkered rep in Songkhla and will undoubtably do the same to the otherwise respected name of Tefl international.

He's also still got signs outside his house using the TEFL international logos.

Theres enough of a problem in Songkhla with Shady Thai Agencies without unqualified and unworthy farang getting in on the act.


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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2006, 02:13:37 pm »
WTF!!

So a certain BV of TEFL International claims to have nothing to do with certain unsavoury characters in Songkhla..

Then Lo and behold.. On Tefl Internationals very own website...http://www.campinternational.com/en/index.htm

It would seem Mr BV does indeed have a working realtionship with persons in Songkhla

Any chance of an explanation??? >:D

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2006, 07:30:50 pm »
He approached me, asked to work with me, signed a contract to work through our Thai comany (registered in BKK) but never did.? Apparently he set up his own company called TEFL International Education Consultants but, purely for convenience,? ?:o wink? wink began calling his new company TEFL International...

I can assure you he is a one-man band and his student base is only the total population of the schools where he sells teachers for a 5,000 baht/month profit.? He is an agent, thats all.

Website has been changed.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2006, 07:32:29 pm by Bruce »

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2006, 01:00:35 pm »
My Name is Ron Hunter from TEFL International Education Consultants. I do not read these forums as I don't have a lot of time but a friend of mine asked me for to comment on the rubbish that's on the forum.
To start with I know Bruce has been around a few years and has many friends that will try and support him, I on on the other hand have only been back in Thailand for 2 years prior to that I was a DOS in China.
I know you guys have a right to your say and I don't have a problem with that, here is the story....
Last year I made an agreement with Bruce to build TEFL International in Thailand as he  only had 4 centers, some not doing very well( his words at the time, not mine) we agreed to put money into a new operation and I gave up a contract to the company that was worth over 120000THB a month to help develop the business on top of my investment, I was to be paid from TEFL International... 4 months later I was still waiting for my salary and the investment from TEFL International.
This was the cause of the break up from TEFL International.
I am not running a placement agency for teachers at 5000THB profit a month, we are marketing our programmes to schools and colleges all over Thailand, we do supply some teachers on a supply only basis but the bulk of our income is from our own school programmes which are paid for by the students, we have signed contracts with the schools and colleges and we have over 7000 students which pay for this service, we have also registered 3 Language schools with the MOE and we have added a further 3 centers as joint ventures with commercial colleges in the South of Thailand.

Bruce would have you believe that I am a one man ban.Todate we have staff in offices in Hat Yai, Songkhla, Nakorn Si Thammarat, BKK and Mukdahan, all of these are legal registered offices and schools.
We pay the teachers on a monthly basis on the 14th of the month, we give them a 12 month contract with paid holidays and sick leave, we apply for work permits and visas and we look to take care of the people who work with us.Can other schools or agencies say the same?

Now Yes I was the assistant Director of TIFL at Thaksin University, I spent 11 months and 3 weeks employed there, I did not leave because of expense claims/fraud as suggested and when I left the Universities/Language Centers biggest client gave me a new 17 month contract to continue with my work there, the University was not happy but , thats life,this contract still has another 8 months to go, so whatever my beef with the University it did not spread to my clients, they still support me as I give them a very good service.
I have not had any other jobs in Songkhla or Hatyai so to say I have had a chequered time there is rubbish.

I believe I have built one of the best education companies in Thailand over the space of this last year, all this was through hard work and not scamming teachers.
Bruce has said he did not work with me, what he means is he never paid me...and it was me that pulled the plug, I registered TEFL International Education Consultants and I registered my trademark in Thailand after spending over 2million baht building my business and I see no reason to change my company name, Bruce has threatened me with Jail, he has told me that he has the connections and that he will close me down and many  many more threats..I'm still waiting, he is still using his connections to try and stop me recruiting teachers, www.ajarn .com was a very good example, Phil knows the story but he is a business man and Bruce is his biggest client, I agreed not to use the TEFL International name but I was not happy that Bruce could pull these strings...
I  more than welcome any teachers or visitors to this site to come to my offices, look at the way we do business and the professional image we try to portray, our staff speak 3 languages and are all helpfull,  Go to the offices of TEFL International and compare.....
I am not here to bash anyone or another company and I will not be entering any comments after this, just to let you know why we are here and what we do...if you don't know then ask us, we are happy to help but please don't listen to gossip,
Bruce is well pissed off because we are doing well and we are not letting him scare us with his threats, I don't like the man, he was prepared to let me, my wife and baby go without food while he went on about no cash flow to pay me....and having lots of debt, I had to get money from my retirment fund to keep this company going while he tripped round the world saying, next month, next month.....
Oh by the way, we have registered offices in England and a partnership agreement in Hong Kong and China, not alot but it is International .
Please be aware that TEFL International carries out the business of TEFL Training Courses, we do not, we train Thai Teachers and have a contract to train 140 over the next month but we do not copy by marketing TEFL Courses ....this is the only teacher training we have done to date.
I know you guys will have your say on my comments and Bruce will slutter and spit but this is it in a nut shell, have fun knocking me if thats what you want to do but try and keep an open mind, it is possible to build a good business and be honest
Sorry its a little long winded and I just hope it puts the record straight

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2006, 03:16:50 pm »
I really appreciate that you came on here and commented on this thread. This site is about making sure teachers get a fair deal. Presenting your side of the story allows teachers to know more about your school and maybe help them get a fair deal. I would like you to keep monitoring this thread and if any information needs to be provided, feel free to post it and/or pm me.

As was said on the comment on the main blog, if you have evidence to present, feel free to present it and I will ensure a fair hearing. We are here for teachers and no one else.


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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2006, 07:27:42 am »
I'm still waiting, he is still using his connections to try and stop me recruiting teachers, www.ajarn .com was a very good example, Phil knows the story but he is a business man and Bruce is his biggest client, I agreed not to use the TEFL International name but I was not happy that Bruce could pull these strings

I need to clarify here that ajarn.com does allow Ron to post his jobs on the ajarn.com board. I just feel it better that he posts under a name other than TEFL International - to avoid the confusion for starters. Reading the above paragraph makes it sound as if ajarn.com does not allow Ron to post his jobs - and that is simply not the case.

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2006, 01:29:26 pm »
I am sure there are at least two sides to this story, I am kind of enjoying this "he said-she said" type of thread. Good entertainment. Why doesn't Ron just change the name to distinguish himself from this other "cowboy" outfit and the two can part ways? Or I am thinking too simplistic here. 

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Re: TEFL International Songkhla
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2006, 03:47:45 pm »
Yes change your name and say why so that the word goes around that the other company is a piece of doodoo. Their are many names you could choose and I'm sure you can come up with a good name.

Maybe oter members can give you some ideas.

Onest Ron's TEFL school or
Teaching In Thailand (TIT) heehee

Ok so I'm not good with creative names,but someone could give you an idea

 

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