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Offline bawpenyang

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Saint Joseph Convent School
« on: March 03, 2006, 08:13:14 pm »
This school has been referred to as "the graveyard of teachers." Teacher turnover every year is severe. The ELP program is run by foreigners(Philipinos). When some of them try to speak Thai, laughter is heard almost immediately. Most of the teachers that have been there for over two years are completely brain-dead. They rest on their previous work. It is a prestige school and this is the land of frowns, enough said. Avoid this place like the plague!

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2006, 08:37:41 pm »
Seems like your biggest complaint is that Asians are working at your school in Asia? Is that about it? I?m not a Filipino, but people usually laugh when I try to speak imperfect Thai or any other language I have tried to study. I guess we can?t all be perfect linguistics like you. I take it your Thai is perfect, that is why you feel superior to the citizens of the Philippines, or is there another reason?

Why so much Philippine bashing by Teachers in Asia? For that matter, why so much Thai bashing by people choosing to work in Thailand?

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2006, 12:38:36 pm »
What a ridiculous reply from notanewbie to a fairly rational post.
I went to this school to give a demo lesson and the head of the programm was 30 minutes late. It was for 8-30 in the morning so there really is no excuse from a head of the depatment for her tardiness. { she didn't offer one either] After an interview we went to a libary to find a book where Iwould do a demonstration lesson on. Ity took her 15 minutes to locate something to do this 1 hour lesson. She turned to a page with 10 complex sentences on it and said" use this to make a Lesson plan. It must have been my look of astonishment that anybody could be so stupid to make this suggestion. She then said "Find something yourself" I did so and proceded to give a lesson in front of her, two Thai teachers and a foriegn teacher. The three teachers congratulated me afterwards for an excellent lesson.
After promising to get in touch I never heard from the head of department again. Hence the motto "Don't Piss of a Non-Native teacher."

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2006, 02:39:01 pm »
noelbino

I have no idea if this school is good or bad or somewhere in the middle. Sounds like your complaint is that they didn't want to hire you. The first poster said nothing about the school itself, and his/her focus was on the ethnic makeup of the administration. If the poster doesn't like working with Asians, that is his/her business, but why work in Asia if this is the case? The motto of any job anywhere is "don't piss off your boss or the person with the hiring and firing authority" regardless of their skin color. If racist attacks without any substance are a "rational" post than I better get a new dictionary and find out when someone changed the definition of the word.

"The ELP program is run by foreigners(Philipinos). When some of them try to speak Thai, laughter is heard almost immediately. " Is this an example you would use of rational and useful information? I suppose if you also have a thing against working with/for Asians it might, otherwise, it is just moaning because all Asians don't automatically know that their place is below the white man.
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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2006, 05:07:46 pm »
I guess everyone can read something and get something different out of it. I am kind of slow, but I thought the OP was trying to say that Thai staff is so bad that they will even make fun of their fellow Asians who actually make an effort to speak Thai. Or that they look down on Asians. Or that they treat Asians like their lap dogs and lackeys.

I agree with you Notanewbie, don't piss off the person who does the hiring, firing, or paying the wages. That said, the situation that Noelbino described would turn me off from even teaching at the school.

And what's with this going to an interview and then without any prep, you are asked to put together a lesson plan and give the lesson. Why not let the teacher know he will need to do a sample lesson when inviting him to the interview?


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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2006, 06:11:15 pm »
UC,

Agreed, what was WRITTEN sounds pretty bad, but it won't be surprising to find out the story was embellished after not getting the job. If it was really all that bad, why didn?t noelbino tell the school he was not interested in the job before ending the interview? When there is dissonance between words and actions, I tend to believe the actions rather than the words. It sounds that noelbino would have taken the job if it was offered, but since he wasn?t offered the job he bad mouths the school. If he told the school at the interview the school was not right for him, his story would have some validity, however by going home and hoping to be contacted, his story sounds like nothing more than sour grapes.   

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2006, 12:54:31 pm »
The facts:
I was asked by the principal, a lovely old nun, who was trying to entice me away from my school at the time. If it wasn,t for her I would not have bothered with the interview after waiting for half an hour nor would have I bothered with the demonstration lesson after seeing the unpreparedness of the head of the department. I would not have accepted a position if it was offered to me. The following day I went to an interwiew at another school gave a demo lesson and was hired on the spot.
I have taught in Thailand for more than 11 years now and have never had a problem working for and with Thais. The time I left a school because of conflict with management was from an American managed school.

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2006, 03:32:38 pm »
UC,

Agreed, what was WRITTEN sounds pretty bad........... his story sounds like nothing more than sour grapes.? ?


and you sound like an idiot.

This place is famous or perhaps more accurately infamous.  I have had several friends who went for interviews and been treated with the same lack of courtesy as noelbino - being made to wait, last second rescheduling etc.  The school never mentioned to any of them the need for a demo lesson and sprang it on some of them whilst others did not need to do one. 

One person did start working there and quit within a month because of all the infighting between the various factions.  She said it was like Europe in the Middle Ages where in one fight you could be allied but in the next fight you were enemies against one or two of the groups.

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2006, 01:21:16 pm »
"you sound like an idiot"

Constructive criticism.

"The ELP program is run by foreigners(Philipinos) When some of them try to speak Thai, laughter is heard almost immediately.."

"Don't Piss of a Non-Native teacher."

Are these examples of "quality" comments? I know nothing of the school, but the comments by the other posters tells me far more about the people posting than about the school itself. The school has Filipinos and Thais working there, and I expect Asian students as well. That is about all I learned from the posts. If one thinks having to deal with Asians in Asia is a bad thing, obviously one should steer clear of this school. There was else nothing of consequence in the postings I saw. If one who does not automatically associate Asian with bad is an idiot, than yes I am one. I am not defending the school, I know nothing about it and surely don?t see myself ever again applying for that type of position (but strange things happen in life and often we end up where we don?t expect; so it is better not to ever say never). Your friend working there got that caught up in office politics in less than a month that she quit because of it? Possible for sure, but one would have to jump right in with both feet to get caught up in someone else's fight so quickly.

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2006, 09:14:33 pm »
My apologies to all who misunderstood my original posting. Please see the movie "Alien" for confirmation of my intent. I never called anyone a 'colour" and it seems strange that this is used. It seems that people have never studied geography and that calling someone an Asian means NOTHING! I only mentioned the laughter about the head of the ELP program speaking Thai because it was an example of the complete disrespect that the students have for this person. It is a prestige school, costing over 150000 per year for ELP. I had to teach with dated photocopies. Teacher turnover is so high that they are now employing an agency to hire teachers. See ajarn for background on the recruiter "**name removed**", who has no hesitation in sending prospective teachers there for a cut and then calls it "a nightmare." Paperwork is high and for little benefit. The school has a negative atmospere with absolutely no comraderie. They are hiring now for next term, so please apply!
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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2006, 09:27:18 am »
One of the agencies they use is now aware of this forum so they can decide if they want to taint their reputaion.

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2006, 09:32:10 pm »
Some interesting replies to the OP, ranging from accusations of racism to sour grapes to agreement with what he had to say. So I thought I would also respond and contribute my 2c worth. I did get the job I applied for,  and I worked at SJC for 2 years. Also I am not a racist so I dont feel my qualified opinion can be dismissed or ignored on either grounds.

IMHO, however bad you think it is at SJC from the posts in here, trust me on this, the reality is worse. I spent 2 years trying to make allowances for the management and often trying to calm down other teachers who had been taken to the brink. The turnover in good teachers is disastrous.

In the end however, I concluded sadly that it was only the foreign teachers who were trying to give the students a good education. The school and its management give every indication of not actually caring. Much of the management time was taken up with power games and the politics of ascendancy. In short they appeared always to be wanting to prove 'who is the boss', with teachers for whom the issue was never in doubt and who simply wanted to get on and do a good job. As one example among many of this, Srs X and Y used to quite like turning the lift off, thereby obliging foreign teachers (yes, many of the Thai teachers had lift keys), to walk up between 4 and 6 floors every time they left the ELP building. Control-freakery at its very best, and even the 2 teachers with a leg infection (1) and severe tendonitis (1) were unable to get a break. Oddly enough, even students were forbidden to use the lift between opening and closing of the school, even though the parents were reportedly charged a surcharge for its installation and running costs! As indeed were they charged for the unequipped science labs.

Sister Z (the ELP program head) is frankly incompetent by any measure of the word, and is almost single-handedly responsible for the attrition of good teachers staff that the OP mentioned. This is despite having S to ride shotgun. S was probably the most competent member of admin staff (also a Phillipino and who was pretty efficient on covering up many of Sr Zs blunders). Sister Boss (the principle) is frankly either unable or unwilling to keep Sr Z on the straight and narrow pathway to providing a good education. They are both the butt of ridicule and detestation by most of the students and I doubt that either one would get a  job of any description in a country where education is valued. They seem to do quite well in Thailand though...

Sister Zis a Phillipino. She is not incompetent by reason of her race, but for the fact that she is just incompetent. In my humble opinion, she is also grumpy, vindictive and frankly not a very nice person.

Regrettably the Thai teachers in the ELP were the dregs from the Thai section of the school. Those who either could not get on with their colleagues or whose own education was poor were invariably dumped on the ELP. One foreign home room teacher was astonished to hear a Thai teacher state to students that the animal that lays the biggest egg in the world is the Blue Whale. Enough said I think.

I left when I could stand no more, and I lasted longer than many very able colleagues. I could not recommend this school; it is a joke and shall certainly never darken their door again. I shall be much the happier for not doing so.

The first year of National Exams for SJC ELP is 2007 (March). I am convinced it will be a catastrophe and that is a great shame because ultimately the people to pay the price for mismanagement at the school will be the students.

Yanqui
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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2006, 09:58:05 am »
I moved a couple of posts to another thread.  St. Joseph Convent and St. Joseph Bangna are different schools, really anyone who has worked at either should know this wouldn't you think?

Here's the link:

http://www.teflwatch.org/forum/index.php/topic,143.0.html

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2006, 01:27:25 pm »
True HEro but then most just know the school they work at by "josephs" I know I fell into that trap when I worked for Joseph Uppatum school, even started calling it st jo's

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2006, 01:46:24 pm »
Okey dokey - no harm done!

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2006, 04:47:05 pm »
I know, It is kinda sad though when we farang teachers cant even differentiate the english names schools. :)

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2007, 03:48:21 pm »
I worked for St Joseph Convent from October 2006 until early 2007.

Most of the posts here from previous teachers are quite correct. I was hired through an agency and although I had a good time living and working in the Silom area, the school was a farce. The Sister in charge (referred to as Sister Z by Yanqui) frequently called us into meetings telling us to be serious about teaching when the school clearly wasn't. We were not allowed to interact with the parents in any way during parent-teacher meetings as they were only allowed to see Thai staff. The curriculum was full of holes and clarification was almost non-existent when I needed help confirming vague aspects of it  {}}

The students were largely spoilt brats who did as they pleased with little regard to what tasks I set them. Some were keen and cooperative but I was given little support by those in charge to address disciplinary issues such as students frequently arriving late to class after outdoor activities.

The agency that hired me was OK but didn't give me full disclosure, so I gave them all a piece of my mind then left. My students ended up graduating soon after and I'm glad I wrote shining references to those who worked hard.

St Joseph will be a better place post Sister Z. For me it was an experience nonetheless  8)

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2007, 05:17:01 pm »
Just a quick update:

The 'evil' sister at St Joseph Convent has reportedly left and it's now a slightly better place to work  :happyjump:

At least it's a move in the right direction.

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Re: Saint Joseph Convent School
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2007, 12:44:16 pm »
The 5-lettered agency that runs in SJC, are they the only ones?

I'm looking into taking a job there.

Nice to hear about recent improvements above.

I get the sense that the agency is running a tight ship in terms

of IT, materials, grading, etc. and these problems with SJC authorities

aren't such a big deal on this end.

Anyway, if I do take the job, perhaps I'll report back here after a while.

Here's hoping, anway... <lo{<sr>


 

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