Topic: Pan Aisa International School

[brian_q]

They are advertising some fairly decent jobs in ajarn.com. Their website looks good and says all the right things. Does anyone have experience with these folks?


Thanks.

[sir mouse burgher]

Don't bother buddy, as an English speaker you are a minority it is an Islamic based school managed by an indian and expects far too much from the staff .
I worked there but left .

If your Phillipino,Indian,Turkish you are in  :dancing:about 7 native English speakers out of a staff of about 50.

International school it is not

keep clear.  

[Ronaldo]

Have to agree with Sir Mouse,

This is not an international school, it is not affliated to any recognised international body... Just a wannabe in the middle of the boonies with some real no hopers in charge dominated by an Indian of dubious character.

If you want a miserable life, work at this school.

[sabai_sabai]

Sadly, I have to agree with most of what the other posters have written that are saying stay clear of this place.  You will not get the supplies or support you need from the admin at Pan Asia.  They have also had some financial problems in the past which has delayed some teachers in getting paid.

It's really a shame because the mission of the school is very admirable.  They are not after profit and want to give Thais, Thai Muslims and others a cheap international (-like) education and foster a better understanding between cultures.  Part of the problem is that some of the administration are lazy and a few really care but don't have much of a clue about running a school.  Getting anything done is a headache and they have a very high turnover.

[brian_q]

Thank you everyone... scratch that one.

Brian

[certified]

Here are some more insights into the school. It is a school that is in part financed through donations, charity, and certain business people who come from Jordan. The Muslims at the schoolwho are Middle Eastern and South East Asian origins are very sincere and good people. They are honest and treat you, whoever you are with great respect. The school itself has an atmosphere that children generally enjoy.It has a wonderful play ground with new equipment , and good supervision from the staff. The Director is really a nice guy, not a mean bone in his body. He is both personable and charming to his staff. I guess you could say he's a type b personality. The lunch at the school is super. It's a little different than Thai lunches but, the meal is always good and you get to get 2nd and 3rds. It usually consists of soup and a salad, with 3 or 4 other entrees like chicken. On Fridays they serve steaks sometimes,,,no kidding. They also have excellent bakery goods at lunch time and on breaks, and after school. They have a huge air conditioned gym, and there is a little room where you turn the lights on and off, incidently this is where the teachers smoke. The teacher's office is good with nice desks. Class rooms are standard size, with air and white boards. The support staff is excellent and nice to work with. The maids are all Thai Muslim girls, and they are really cute and charming to have around. In fact when you consider all the different working circumstances in Thailand, this place has many high marks to it. So if it has so much going for it, why doesn't it show any growing  degree of success? What has chased parents away and caused the school to have financial problems. What do western teachers find unbearable where they are either fired or forced out?
There is an Indian man who was hired by the school 2 years ago, originally from  Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh, India. He says he had a computer job in India. He was  hired at the school as the computer teacher, but apparently had talked himself into a position as a head teacher.
There were no job details as the head teacher at Pan Asia, so this individual made up his own
practices with no formal experience in education, and certainly not in western education. The director counts on this mans alleged expertise to shape things up in the school, but unfortunately he exhibits some of the worst behavior I have ever witnessed in a school. He will actually begin a campaign to oust a good qualified teacher simply because his stature is threatened when compared to a real professional. His methods are slimy and without remorse. You will be subjected to this individual attemting to ruin every important relationship you have in the school. He will spend an unusual amount of time brain washing the director and the principal. He berates western teachers at meetings on a personal level. He is argumentative and highly criticle of the teaching methods employed by western teachers who are more qualified and experienced than himself. In other words, if you are a white, western man, expect this person to use the school as a weapon anyway he can against you. And he will not sleep until the job is done. This is what ruins it for everyone at the school. He wants everyone to be afraid of him, and in effect he is the school bully. The director at Pan Asia will sooner or later wake up to what this person is really creating for the school and make the right decision for the children's sake.

[Ronaldo]

Certified...

You are absolutely correct and in this case one bad apple does spoil the batch, as you say the school has a lot going for it, but it is the parents through their children I believe that have worked out this awful 'bully boy' character and therefore declined to place or to continue to place their children there, hence a falling roll of students.

Unfortunately, the ever trusting, nice and rather naive director and some of his senior staff have not worked this out and until they do the school will suffer, and probably decline even further.

[Dalit]

I went because of the indian manager and he is one of my own all that is said is on target.

He should be a chitty wallah

School boss good man indian man not true man

[rebuttal]

While is true that Pan-Asia International School (PAIS) has had its share of difficulties since its inception in 2004, the characterization of the school as a backwards, dysfunctional hellhole dominated by a tyrannical, vindictive academic director is so far off base, it is almost comical. Almost. Unfortunately, the above posts are riddled with factual inaccuracies, ad hominem attacks, and bluntly libelous statements to which I will hereby reply.

PAIS is a young, growing international school that provides an American-curriculum-based education at affordable tuitions. The school’s administration, including the board of directors, the chairman, and the academic director, is passionate about delivering a high quality education to all students, but particularly to students who might not otherwise have such an opportunity. While it is not technically an Islamic school, the majority of the students are Muslim and are allowed to freely practice their religion on campus via the school mosque. However, respect for all religions, ethnicities, and nationalities is the norm, and the school leaders are actively developing the diversity of the student body and the school staff to further promote this ideal.

I have been with the school 2 ½ years. In that time PAIS has worked out many of the operational, human resource, and curriculum-related kinks that have diminished its overall performance. The improvement and growth of the school over this period of time has been phenomenal. Despite this, the school is still experiencing growing pains, sometimes considerable. While inevitable stumbling blocks exist, I have a firm belief that at any given time the school leaders are doing their utmost to remediate the school’s short-term difficulties towards long-term successes. Such an environment is not for everyone. Unfortunately, employees who could not accommodate or work within this sometimes unstable and challenging environment either quit or were let go. These employees’ sour grapes have evidently found their way to this forum. So be it.

The personal opinions and negative attitudes towards the school expressed by the posters on this thread are not refutable due to their very nature. My purpose here is not to joust with the negativity of clearly disgruntled former employees. However, some of the factually inaccurate statements presented do require correction. These are as follows:

1) PAIS is an international school in every sense of the term. The curriculum is based upon the Massachusetts state standards and is taught in English. The bulk of the textbooks and other learning materials come from American educational publishing companies such as Harcourt-Brace, Macmillan, McGraw-Hill, and Scholastic. We have students from 24 different countries. We have teachers from at least 10 different countries. All of our students are bilingual, and many are trilingual. PAIS is legally licensed as an international school by the Thai government.  International school PAIS is.

2) PAIS is currently in the process of obtaining full WASC (Western Association of Schools and Colleges, USA) accreditation. WASC officials have visited the school twice, all necessary paperwork for accreditation has been submitted, and PAIS has been approved for provisional WASC accreditation. Full WASC accreditation is expected to be achieved within the next 3 to 5 years.

3) The PAIS student body continues to grow on a year-by-year basis. Each year a new grade is added. Next year the school will hold classes for students from preschool to grade 8. We do have student turnover at the school, which is to be expected. Many of our students’ parents are involved in international business or are foreign diplomatic staff, thus they periodically move from one country to the next according to the demands of their jobs. Other students have left PAIS for a variety of reasons, as is the case with any school. A small minority of students have left because of parents dissatisfied with the school’s performance. As any professional educator knows, some parents are impossible to satisfy. That’s life.

4) PAIS is financially secure. Operations and expenses are sufficiently covered by tuition and generous outside grants. Any difficulties in timely payment of salaries have been due to accounting snafus only, either at the school or at the school’s bank. There have been very few instances of this happening (less than 5) during my tenure here. Problems with salary payments have always been resolved in a timely manner. The school has never failed to pay an employee. In fact, the school has several times offered financial aid to employees who needed emergency funds and also has offered generous severance pay to teachers whose contracts have not been renewed.

4) Yearly employee turnover is dropping substantially as hiring practices improve and the overall satisfaction of the school’s qualified, professional teachers increases. The majority of teachers currently working at the school have been offered new contracts for the coming school year.

5) The academic director of PAIS (i.e. head teacher) is indeed Indian. How this fact has any bearing on his qualifications, abilities, or skills is beyond me, other than the racist overtones of the other posters. Prior to his position at PAIS, he was the head of the English department at a bilingual school in Bangkok for 3 1/2 years. He is now studying for his M.Ed. He is a busy, skillful, and effective administrator. The only employees who fail to get along with him are those who fail to perform their jobs professionally.
   
All schools have positives and negatives (and all jobs, as far as my experience is concerned . . . ). My simple advice for anyone reading these negative posts regarding PAIS is to take them with a huge grain of salt. If you have any doubts about whether PAIS is a good place to work and grow professionally, then visit us and talk to the teachers who are happily employed here. Inspect the school. Talk to the school leaders and students. Don’t make a decision based upon a few gripes on an internet forum. Instead, make an intelligent decision based upon your own firsthand experiences.

[certified]

Nice try XXXX. We know who butters your bread.
Let this man who just happens to be an Indian, answer these questions himself.

[Ronaldo]

Nice to see Sean that you are still kissing arse as per usual

It is not racist to say that your headmaster is Indian because he is and he is also as described by posters who have given their posts as requested by the original poster, more to the point he is pulling the wool over the managements eyes and the school turnover of staff and students is affected by his management style, clearly this is a demerit.

You know as well as anyone that this is an Islamic school dressed up like a Christmas turkey and that infact even what you say at morning assembly is often vetted for content other than the party line, this type of thinking is rife in the school and it untrue to say otherwise.

1) Your school texts are out of date and have to be cropped to rid itself of any Americanism or Christian value system. PAIS is not legally licensed as an international school by the Thai government, it is only recognised as such when it has achieved WASC full status and not until then, International school PAIS isn't.


2) PAIS is currently in the process of obtaining full WASC (Western Association of Schools and Colleges, USA) accreditation. WASC officials have visited the school twice, all necessary paperwork for accreditation has been submitted, and PAIS has been approved for provisional WASC accreditation. Full WASC accreditation is expected to be achieved within the next 3 to 5 years.

3) The PAIS student body does not continue to grow on a year-by-year basis, in fact it has fallen. Each year a new grade is added. Next year the school will hold classes for students from preschool to grade 8. We do have student turnover at the school, which is to be expected. Many of our students’ parents are involved in international business or are foreign diplomatic staff ha ha ha, thus they periodically move from one country to the next according to the demands of their jobs. Other students have left PAIS for a variety of reasons, as is the case with any school. A small minority of students have left because of parents dissatisfied with the school’s performance. As any professional educator knows, some parents are impossible to satisfy. That’s life.

4) PAIS is not financially secure. Operations and expenses are sufficiently covered by tuition and generous outside grants (from who? Muslim bodies know doubt but it isn't a muslim school Obi Won.
4) Yearly employee turnover is dropping substantially as hiring practices improve and the overall satisfaction of the school’s qualified, professional teachers increases (that's why you need so any new hires as advertised on Ajarn, pull the other one). The majority of teachers (the majority of what teachers) currently working at the school have been offered new contracts for the coming school year.

5) The academic director of PAIS (i.e. head teacher) is indeed Indian. How this fact has any bearing on his qualifications, abilities, or skills is beyond me, other than the racist overtones of the other posters. Prior to his position at PAIS, he was the head of the English department at a bilingual school in Bangkok for 3 1/2 years (and we know what happened there. He is now studying for his M.Ed. He is a busy, skillful, and effective administrator who pry's into people private lives. The only employees who fail to get along with him are those who fail to perform their jobs professionally, who says he does his job professionally, only you. He hasn't even got enough gumption to rebut himself, he has to get his pet to do it for him.   

All schools have positives and negatives (and all jobs, as far as my experience is concerned . . . and what experience does the ex-cook have ). My simple advice for anyone reading these negative posts regarding PAIS is to take them with a huge grain of salt or a huge load of BS loaded and spread on by you and your crony, you've been duped or is it you just love kissing butt. If you have any doubts about whether PAIS is a good place to work and grow professionally, then visit us and talk to the teachers who are happily employed here. Inspect the school. Talk to the school leaders and students. Don’t make a decision based upon a few gripes on an internet forum. Instead, make an intelligent decision based upon your own firsthand experiences.

Sean ' kiss butt' Snider
English Language Arts Curriculum Coordinator
Grade 7 ELA Teacher
Pan-Asia International School
Fantasy Island

[RobRoy]

Rebuttal...its good to see a school responding to complaints and letting teachers know they are welcome to come by and talk with the current employees and management to form their own opinions.  Many schools would never allow that to happen.

[certified]

Until now, the school's manager has operated with complete impunity to get slap happy with whoever he wants to. I invite you to answer your critics directly here, Mr. Manager. Don't be afraid, you of all people need to learn a lesson in life. This lesson is,,,Treat others the way you want to be treated. Even the youngest children understand this universal concept. Until you can master this simple way of life, you are not fit to have the honored title of, Teacher.

[RobRoy]

Maybe I missed something....did the manager get slap happy with you certified?  Did you see this first hand, so to speak?

[certified]

Rob, he knows who he roughed up.   

[RobRoy]

Its not that...just want to get a clear picture of whats going on...did you or did you see a teacher being roughed up?   Or are you relying on twelfth hand info.  Apparently you work there and so we want to know what you have seen first hand.  Not a rumor but something first hand.

[certified]

Rob, judging by this person's combative behavior and his mindset, he already has drawn up a list of suspects. Would you want to give an adversary detailed information about yourself in a foreign country where the rule of law may or may not protect you?

[RobRoy]

Why should you care?  There's lots of jobs out there with a whole lot less hassle.  I've read they pay real well, so is it that you don't want to lose the money or you don't care about your self respect.  With you creds, it seems finding a better job would be easy.  Let the management know your unhappy enough to start walking.  As long as you haven't lied, then to heck with them.   And point that out to them.  Ask them where you've lied.

[IHvACrtfctImAGrtTchr]

Howdy all,
First off, sir mouse burgher, Ronaldo, sabai_sabai, and certified appear to be all disgruntled employees. The OP is obviously a friend  or a previous employee. If I am wrong, post your identity. You all fail to mention your specific problems other than slagging off the head teacher. The best part is that you all hide your identity, which makes your points unsubstantiated in light of Mr. XXXX XXXXX putting his signature on his post. I challenge you as previous teachers with problems to step forward so that we may truly understand this situation.

SMB, you make it sound as international education is supposed to be delivered via westerners. Western = international? Sorry, I’m a bit confused there. I personally have friends and acquaintances that are Indian, Filipino, Chinese, and Burmese,  they work in international schools.  Not familiar with IB?

Sabai_sabia, I guess they do have financial problems as the just built a secondary building, a housed swimming pool and basketball court, and are now working on the kindergarten. Did you know that financial stability is one of the key qualifications in the international school certification process?

Time for certified… I love all those good things you say about the school, especially the lunch. It must be good. I remember seeing this one teacher… Wow! Damn good lunches! So because you are certified that makes you a good teacher? Well, if you know best, why are you not off at the top end international school? I mean PAIS has aspirations as any decent school has, but surely someone with your expertise could be at ISB, NIST, Pattana, etc… Certified, you more than anyone need to post your name and your experience. I will personally check these schools with you present. We can then take the results and post them here. If you are some impeccable teacher, the schools will be practically banging down your door with the current teacher shortage and all.

Actually, after seeing Ronaldo’s comment, I strongly advise you not to post your real name. You’re IQ seems to get lower with every post. I mean can you not at least use hard evidence rather than your emotional bickering? You take shots at Mr. Snider, even though he appears to be the only professional teacher in this thread (excluding Robroy).

Let me ask one question. How long have the lot of you been working in the kingdom? If more than 2-3 years, you are obviously the type that hops from job to job looking for something similar to home. This isn’t the west, so just leave, or stay and make the professionals look even better. Cheers sir mouse burgher, Ronaldo, sabai_sabai, and certified!


Mr. XXXXX, keep up the noble work. It is people like you that make a difference.

[RobRoy]

Define "certified" IHvACrtfctImAGrtTchr would you please.  Just because my degree isn't in English or education doesn't mean I haven't spent my fair share of time in the classroom learning teaching techniques or spent a fair amount of time as a teacher before I came to Thailand.   Having paperwork saying you have a degree in English only means you learned something about English or if it was education you learned something about education in college.   Doesn't mean you can teach it dude.   

I've been wondering..does a degree in education mean you can teach anything?  Precalc, programming, home economics, physics, etc.

Sorry...the exact quote was professional teacher.....as I've worked as one for many years, I would think that makes me a professional...a professional being defined as one who makes money by supplying a select service.

[IHvACrtfctImAGrtTchr]

To you RR,
Actually, I excluded you from the that post as you weren't ripping on the school for no substantiated reason. "certified" was thrown in there because it is one of the posters names, and I don't see being a certified teacher (being licensed in your home country) as qualifier for being a goood teacher.

Now to its definition... If you look in a dictionary, there are many meanings; however, I would just like to throw a list out there of what unprofessionals do. I have seen some come to work smelling like alacohol. Discussing the weekend down at the red light district in the teachers room. Taking personal days for unimportant reasons (they wanna realx at home or the beach). Wear clothes that do not meet the standard or requirements. Teachers that quit a job because it is too far from where they live, or for that matter or regularly late because of where they live. People that say well if the school paid me more money, I would do my job better. People that complain about the problem, but do not do anything to fix it other than complaining.

RR, your previous post was sound. You got a problem with what I'm saying, lets handle it my PM. I'm here because of unwarranted complaints. I almost never use this site as you can tell by the amount of posts this current account has. I'm sure I will be gone from in a week, but I will be back again when we have more people like this that want the world but only offer half-ass skill.

off to work

[fed_up]

Felt the need to post as IMHO Sean and couple of his cronies are trying to muddy up the waters here (which is to be expected as Sean makes about 68.000 per month and his ever present sidekick **name removed** a cool 63.000 so have a guess if they will EVER try to bite the hand that feeds  ).

Used to work at Pan-Asia (INTERNATIONAL hahahahaha what a joke) Muslim School. Can vouch 100% what was said about the INDIAN (MN -> his nickname in my head is "BLACK C..T") and the school. Don't worry about what Sean says as he is only the lapdog of the BC (MN). There is an unholy alliance between this school's management and Sean. Have personally observed Sean get into many arguments with regular staff coz of his cocky attitude and his perception of immunity. And yes he is an ex-cook who just happened to finish a half-arsed weekend course that gave a him a piece of paper saying that he is a teacher. An educator he is not, just BSing his way through at a sub-sub-sub par Muslim school that survives month-to-month on Saudi Arabian money  . Not-surprising that he runs the Cooking Club at the school. Better suited in front of an oven with mitts and an apron.

About the BC: Everything that has been said about him is true. He is the scourge of this school. Has no management, interpersonal or educational skills. He lies to, cheats, bullies, coaxes, threatens and belittles everyone below him  . He IS THE ONE TO AVOID (much more than Sean himself) but the problem is that you can't.

About the school: Good facilities just to show off to the parents. No real education, books are there but the minds are empty. Probably the same as other fake International Schools. Kids are out of order most of the times, knowing that they can get away with murder coz there is a "NO FAIL POLICY" at this school  .

About the teachers: Many came and went. Some stayed coz of the money. Some got kicked out, some left after they found about the place. It speaks volumes when even the Thai and Filipino teachers leave as they couldn't take it anymore. The school lost about 20-25 teachers in its 2 years of existence.

About you dear hapless teacher: Don't be fooled by the high Saudi salary on offer here. RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN !!!

[certified]

This is almost laughable isn't it?    Finally the chickens are coming home to roost! You can't
institutionally abuse other adults and expect this to go on forever can you? And you will be completely unsuccessful is stopping us from evaluating your   hostile work environment. Our recommendation is to replace the manager and his wife (who is behind his every move) immediately before they can create any more unjust suffering.  I'm sorry Mr. Manager, but the party is over.

[IHvACrtfctImAGrtTchr]

It is really because I have absolutely no ties to PAIS. I am tied to other schools. So how shall we judge a good school and good teachers?
How about you put up your standards.

fed_up so you have physical evidence of their salaries? can you enlighten us as to how you know or is it just hear say again?
Do I detect jealousy of Sean as he received a higher salary than you? undoubtedly he is worth it as he is still there and you are not.
btw, where are you now? must be a better international school, no? care to share with us?
Sean is an ex-cook? So you held no other jobs before becoming a teacher? No other professional or certified teachers had other jobs before becoming a teacher? Can you tell me what country you are referring to? Not that I matter, but I held a few, albeit I am younger than the lot of you and make 2-3 times as much as you. How does that affect his teaching? I thought we already made the point with dear certified and her certificate...

as for belittling people, you are smaller than them as all you can do is complain and you are far less qualified to do work as you don't do any/much (complaining is not work).
So if you are worth less/do less, I would say that they aren't belittling you, rather they were speaking fact to/about you. Let's prove it. You produce all the work you did in your time at PAIS and we will have Sean produce all he did in that same amount of time. Who did more?
Back to this money thing again... please base it on fact rather than what you suspect.

No fail policy... yet again, another moron that doesn't know shite about Thai law... Not only Thailand though, this policy is becoming more popular in the west as well.

fed_up and the rest of you, lets see the places you worked at previously and the durations? let's see what you did while you were there? Let us see  something that sets you apart from the typical losers you sound like? Again, I don't work for PAIS nor have I ever. Based on the unsubstantiated bullsiht you write, you are bleating fools.

[certified]

  This must be the man himself! hahaha

[hero]

Again, I don't work for PAIS nor have I ever.

In that case it would seem you have very little to offer this thread at all Please stick to relevant postings on threads for which you have relevant information.

And that applies to all - this thread is rapidly going gto turn into a slanging match if people start focusing on eachother rather than the school in question.

Hero

[fed_up]

"fed_up so you have physical evidence of their salaries? can you enlighten us as to how you know or is it just hear say again?"

- Yes, I have physical evidence about Sean's and your salary **name removed** (if that's who you are). Sean makes 68 and you make 63 before taxes. Which are about 20.000 more than the average farang teacher at Pan-Asia, about 40.000 more than the average Filipino teacher and the Thai teachers, let's not go there shall we ?

"Do I detect jealousy of Sean as he received a higher salary than you? undoubtedly he is worth it as he is still there and you are not."

- No, you don't. The simple reason Sean is there is because the school will totally go bonkers without him, that's why. Everyone else is expendable to the management, including you **name removed** (if that's who you are).

"as for belittling people, you are smaller than them as all you can do is complain and you are far less qualified to do work as you don't do any/much (complaining is not work)."

- I am not here to complain about the school. I am just here to warn prospective teachers.

"You produce all the work you did in your time at PAIS and we will have Sean produce all he did in that same amount of time. "

- If throwing 2 worksheets in front of students and jumping in front of your laptop is WORKING, yeah you are right Sean did more WORK than me. After all worksheets ARE physical evidence that SOMEONE DID SOMETHING, right ? Doesn't matter if it was the students, does it ?

"No fail policy... yet again, another moron that doesn't know shite about Thai law... Not only Thailand though, this policy is becoming more popular in the west as well."

- I refuse to stoop to your level **name removed** (if that's who you are), so I will not call you names in return. But, your comments seem to me like you are actually accepting that PAMS (Pan Asia Muslim School) indeed has a "NO FAIL POLICY". I rest my case, your honor !

"fed_up and the rest of you, lets see the places you worked at previously and the durations? let's see what you did while you were there? Let us see  something that sets you apart from the typical losers you sound like? Again, I don't work for PAIS nor have I ever. Based on the unsubstantiated bullsiht you write, you are bleating fools."

- Again personal attacks and name-calling **name removed** (if that's who you are). Tsk, tsk, tsk ..... you're not helping your own case by those, so jai yen yen and go wash your mouth. Personally, I am happily working at a REAL International School now, and yes i have worked as an EDUCATOR in the past. So go cool your heels somewhere else, dude, as nobody here has thrown a bone at you, yet you're still barking.

[sabai_sabai]

XXXX has every right to respond to this tread with his opinion, but IHvACrtfctImAGrtTchr who registered shortly after XXXX  logged off, why don't you offer to share your identity?  (I see you've classed up the avatar a bit.) If I liked working at Pan Asia, I'd still be there, but I didn't so I guess that makes me "disgruntled". (Sorry, I work at a school that is even newer than PAIS, for higher pay and fewer headaches now.) As I also said, I like what PAIS is trying to do but the way the school treats its teachers and the headaches were not worth it for me. Thanks, IHvACrtfctImAGrtTchr, if you hadn't decided to attack the people on the thread instead of disagree with their statements, I would probably have not posted again on this thread.  (bump)

Twice, while I was there, some teachers did not get paid on time, but I do agree that they got paid.  They were given some excuses and that is what happened.  Are you saying that new building proves this was not the case?  Or does it prove that they have lots of funds? I know how great the five meter long swimming pool they built a few years ago was and they even forgot to install locks on the doors to it so teachers would sometimes find a child alone at the pool.  Great planning at PAIS.  (I also never received any tax information from them, hmm.)

During my time there, about six people were working in the resource room, which was slightly larger than the pool.  Does it take six people to get a teacher some pencils? At PAIS, it did and it took slightly less time than forever as well.  How about some of these lovely Harcourt books, that even in the second year of the school did not manage to arrive on time or as a full set. I never saw a teacher's edition and many student books were copied, not originals.  Instead of letting a teacher go to Tesco and buy something we didn't have and submit a receipt, the school insisted on buying any supplies that were not on-hand themselves.  Guess how long that usually took.

Some teachers who were at the school since day one could not organize a panic on a sinking ship, never mind show up for their classes on-time.  They were always the favorites.  Other teachers were often ignored or bullied while trying to improve things. A few of the administration would gossip about how awful a teacher was to other teachers and never let that teacher know.  They even promoted one teacher and then fired that teacher a week later for "incompetence."  The dynamics at the school often pitted one teacher against another.

I'm sure I'm leaving out some other details about the headaches of working at PAIS.   Perhaps some things have changed since then and if so, I'd be happy that the school has made progress because I really do think that the school has its heart in the right place.  If they have become more organized and changed their ways (read: Director and wife) please say so. 

Upon preview: the MOE does NOT allow an international school to have a no-fail policy, but that applies only for grades 9-12 in an American system international school.  Does that mean that the school doesn't have a no-fail policy?  Did everybody in Thailand suddenly start following the law?

[certified]

I'm working for a great International School also. Regardless of who actually made these posts supporting their managerial techniques, the bottom line is still the same there. Pan Asia has supported an individual who uses what we feel are practices that are not ethical in nature. If have gone through this meat grinder, you are left with a peculiar feeling that you've been subjected to this man's personal agenda. And to make maters worse he wants you to know that this process is taking place, and there is nothing that you can do about it.

[freedom fighter]

It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines here, although I'm always amazed at how the offending schools/employers attempt to detract focus from complaints by redirecting blame and muddying matters.  (I still can't belive you are having a 'who's the better teacher' argument.)

Everything the schools defenders have said have been riddled with inconsistencies and obvious biases.  I have seen magicians use less mirrors and smoke screens!

It's always best to hear both sides of the story so it's good that the two sides have made their points but this seems to be a simple case of a school bully and his payrolled sidekicks trying to get away with whatever they want.  This is Thailand and they will probably continue to do so... at least for a while.

The problem with these forums is that noone ever gets to know the real truth, so unless you work for the school/employer you will never truly know.  Having said that, there are a myriad of schools out there who are struggling to find teachers so I will avoid any bad schools where several sources have complained even if it is heresay. Why?  Because I can. 

It's time the schools started respecting the teachers and understood that they can't get away with foul practices forever.  If you are the loathsome henchman of a bully employer then note that your time is running out.  These forums are a great mechanism for highlighting problems and warning others.

Karma has a great way of biting you in the #ss... so has supply and demand!

[Sadly-confused]

I have to agree with Hero, this thread is rapidly going nowhere! There is a good chance that there is an element of truth coming from both sides, a bullies victims will see him as a bully, the bullies friends see him as a demigod until he turns his attentions on them.
The maladministration is not exactly a new phenomena in this fair country now is it, the late payments have been dealt with and explained in a way that seems quite probable, plagierised books are hardly new in Thailand. nor is lack of equipment.

so we are left with both sides wearing their curlers and hairnets shouting abuse at each other like fishwives, I doubt either side is lying they just see the truth through different colored glasses.

If all that is left is shitslinging that does not address issues in the manner shown by IHvACrtfctImAGrtTc then this thread is destined to be locked.

[hero]

No fail policy... yet again, another moron that doesn't know shite about Thai law... Not only Thailand though, this policy is becoming more popular in the west as well.

No fail policy is not enshrined in Thai law, although it is fairly deeply culturally rooted I suppose. If you want us to believe that it is gaining popularity in the West then you'll need to produce evidence to that effect to convince me.  Frankly I don't think it's the case.  Are you suggesting that Thailand is at the forefront of educational reforms?  I think most with experience teaching in the West would disagree with that sentiment.

In fact the website of the WASC accreditation service, that Pan Asia are apparently using seems quite clearly against any standard "no fail" policy:

D. STANDARDS-BASED STUDENT LEARNING:     ASSESSMENT AND ACCOUNTABILITY
     1.    The school uses a professionally acceptable assessment process to collect, disaggregate, analyze and report student performance data to the parents and other shareholders of the community.
     2.    Teachers employ a variety of assessment strategies to evaluate student learning. Students and teachers use these findings to modify the teaching/learning process for the enhancement of the educational progress of every student.
     3.    The school with the support of the district and community has an assessment and monitoring system to determine student progress toward achievement of the academic standards and the expected schoolwide learning results.
     4.    The assessment of student achievement in relation to the academic standards and the expected schoolwide learning results drives the school’s program, its regular evaluation and improvement, and the allocation and usage of resources.

[ladyteacher]

This is indeed a sorry state of affairs it seems to me that the school manager is an incompetent fool surounding himself with like minded people to protect his position much the same as he was at Interkids we all know how well that school is or was run !!

Moslems are not that happy about gays  as I recall.

Can it be explained how the manager a Muslim married to a Sikh is not an apostate, this good Muslim only appears in our prayer room when the chairman is here.

The holy Quran is very specific about the conduct of its adherents does the manager or whatever he assumes to be actually adhere to his beliefs ?.

Sadly a school that has lost its way and of course all the teaching staff are at fault, verily Judge not others lest ye may be judged yourselves.

[certified]

Ladyteacher, no one thinks that this present manager at Pan Asia is a fool. He also can not be considered incompetent, because he has shrewdly found an environment that he is thriving in. This in his mind is being clever, not foolish.
This is not the first time an individual has  entered into a struggling school environment, and has coldly assessed the weaknesses, and human shortcomings of the teachers. This type of person will then exploit, intimidate, manipulate, and control others to satisfy his own selfish needs. They lack conscience and feelings for others, and they take what they want, and do as they please, without guilt or remorse.
The damage this individual can create for teachers careers and reputations sometimes are irreversable, with you having little or no control over the outcome.
Here is one of his techniques.
He  employs his own type of cunning charm to open up unsuspecting teachers for personal details about their relationships, finances, health problems, emotional life, religious
outlooks,and family background. You will  be informally interviewed repeatedly by him, his wife, and his 2 western backers. At this point he is building a consensus against you,with the help of his aids, and the personal information they have been collecting. They will use whatever information they have collected against you. And this will go on non stop.

It's inaccurate to consider this to be the behavior of an incompetent fool.




 

[hero]

Some posts split and moved to Sour Gripes (Link Here) - if there was anything in them that was really relevant to the discussion on the school, could the posters concerned repost them to this thread leaving out all the antagonism.

Just the facts as you see them will do

Hero

[herrkutz]

I have no intention of entering the fray regarding personal beliefs and stances regarding the bodies at Pan Asia School,however I feel I would like to comment on the situation there.

I am involved with the school so perhaps I am more aware than some of the current situation.It is a fact that the management style of the academic manager is ''unique'' some have even described it as ''biazrre''.

There is little evidence of manaagement skills across the board in the school, this may well be to do with the ethos of the backers of the school who are of Arabic descent.

I have had no problems with the Islamic side of things and the school chairman is an absolute gentleman with a wonderful vision of peace and unity.

Sadly he is not being advised or told the truth about the current situation where some staff members both management and long term teaching staff are more concerned about their financial future  and feathering their own nests rather than the vision the school chairman has.

Teachers in general seem to co-exist without problems irrespect of religions or racial background.

The problem lies with the school mis managment team the unknowing,leading nay marshalling the whole bloody shooting match to its fate.

Third rate managers abetted by self serving staff from assistant managers to teachers are killing the school and our chairmans dreams.No educational background no understanding of curriculum design as we do not appear to have a curriculum after 3 years that is what is wrong

Until the chairman sees what the truth is we are blighted to sail the oceans of educationm like the dammed on the Marie Celeste.

A good school ruined by self serving greedy grasping empire building people.You/we the school staff have the solution in our hands,show the whole posting to the chairman and the school governors then Armegeddon may well begin and the good will survive.

 

[herrkutz]

Please excuse the typos banana fingers you know

[fed_up]

Great post !! I wholeheartedly agree to the division of this thread as BC (MN)'s religion, sexual preference or interpersonal relationship aptitude are NOT the problems at hand. I would love to post the phone number and/or email address of the Chairman of the board (HH) to make him aware of this thread but my question from the moderators is are we allowed to do so ? Please responds mods. This would only be for the benefit of the school and nothing else.

P.S. My reliable sources at the school have informed me that since the start of the 2nd semester, many cameras both hidden and visible have been placed in corridors and homerooms in addition to microphones  . Beware !! Big brother is watching your every move at PAMS (Pan-Asia Muslim School).

[Mods-Rockers]

Why not phone him or send him an email yourself, that way you dont need to post it here!


The big brother development, if true, is however very worrying!

[sabai_sabai]

Great post !! I wholeheartedly agree to the division of this thread as BC (MN)'s religion, sexual preference or interpersonal relationship aptitude are NOT the problems at hand. I would love to post the phone number and/or email address of the Chairman of the board (HH) to make him aware of this thread but my question from the moderators is are we allowed to do so ? Please responds mods. This would only be for the benefit of the school and nothing else.

P.S. My reliable sources at the school have informed me that since the start of the 2nd semester, many cameras both hidden and visible have been placed in corridors and homerooms in addition to microphones  . Beware !! Big brother is watching your every move at PAMS (Pan-Asia Muslim School).

I was in agreement with your sentiment up until you re-named the school.  Pan Asia isn't hiding the religious affiliation of the school in any way and if a teacher has a problem with Islam, they shouldn't work there.  From what I saw, they hire their Western staff in a way that does not discriminate; there were teachers who were religious and not at all Muslim and it was out in the open.  Considering that they charge low tuition for everybody and aren't forcing non-Muslim students into religious activities, I'd say that they are much more tolerant than many of the international Christian schools in Bangkok.   Many Christian international schools do make it mandatory for non-Christian students to attend prayers, etc. (I am not religious myself, btw.)

***

I don't imagine that unsolicited emails to the school will help solve its current problem.  If they read this thread, they will read it and draw their own conclusions.  [I mean that without sarcasm]  The OP asked a question and some posters answered it, that was the original purpose.  No decent professional teacher wishes that a school "crashes and burns" since there are kids' educations at stake and caring about the education of children (of any faith) is what our purpose is.  Better management and working conditions for teachers is also our concern, but ideally those things make for a better education for students.

[Mods-Rockers]

Well stated SS, I have to agree with your sentiments that the worst offenders for ramming religion down the throats of students have always been christian schools, regardless of location, even back in the west.

[hero]

I would love to post the phone number and/or email address of the Chairman of the board (HH) to make him aware of this thread but my question from the moderators is are we allowed to do so ? Please responds mods.

I think I can safely say we would rather you didn't.

Why not phone him or send him an email yourself, that way you dont need to post it here!

That's a far better idea.

[herrkutz]

The matter of communication has been dealt wth I suggest that fed up checks the personal message section of his/her account at teflwatch where he/she may find something to their advantage.

[Dalit]

Well let us appraise this school and its management team and also the  teaching staff for what it is worth.
The school vision is admirable in all ways as are the aspirations of the schools founder and chairman,indee there are no problems there at all.

However the image the school projects sends mixed messages.

Is it a Moslem school, an International school ,a Bilingual school an upmarket Private Thai school ? Some parents say it is a Moslem school others say it is an International school,who is right ?

There is no curriculum in place at all and indeed the academic manager and his assistant are not really able to comprehend the concept of a curriculum.In a nutshell they claim great experience yet neither one of them seem to understand education or indeed modern education management practices,only able to protect each others positions and salaries.In the case of the assistant he persists in telling all of us how much money he has yet this is the man who had an advance on his salary prior to an extended holiday as he always takes and knowing that the rest of the staff salary payments were to be delayed, a rich man indeed I question his words.

The academic manager could be best described as a weaver of tales and a manipulator of the truth the assistant manager has no power at all and indeed no foreign going experince prefering to spend his free time in Pattaya, hardly the most morally correct place on this planet,one wonders what the attraction may be in Pattaya.Thes two characters are indeed self serving a  case of

"Asinus asinum fricat"and ''Mendacem memorem esse oporet''

Now let as look at the general administration set up,the front office staff all seem to give their best and indeed do appear to go out of their way to assist the staff at the school no complaints in that area of the school.

Teaching staff, now this is indeed a difficult one teachers whose English is shall we say wanting are employed in teaching science with a very poor level of English language profiency, of course they are cheat  to employ and Moslim also that is the key to successful employment. Excitus acta probat

Non natives with passable English but not to a acceptable level are employed to teach remedial English what a hoot, as far as I am aware the M.O.E. demands that non native foreign teachers should have a T.O.E.F.L. pass mark of 550 or more ,sorry put all the non native English speaking staff together and they may just make the grade.

Some of the native English speakers do have problems in their personal lives,drinking,red light areas and not overly fond of children either, dedicated only to their monthly pay check.Good professional teachers are weeded out as the Ayotollah (sorry academic manager) fears their knowledge, contacts and ability as does his little lap dog Scotty Terrier or is it Italian Mouse hound ? Docendo discimus

There is no great academic achievement in the school,xeroxed text books for the students, poor academic achievement and sadly 80% of the teaching staff are not teachers in the accepted form.The library looks fine until one looks more closely, carefully screened books and all  screened to omit other religions and cultural inputs, we have a German Jewish teacher how does he feel about such discrmination I wonder?

As stated in  earlier postings there is no affiliation to any international academic organisation nor will there be for a long time.

There is a move afoot to employ Indian teachers in fact one has already been imported from India to test the waters as as other teachers from other countries so to speak,do the school managers actually realise how Thais view Indians in general and others ? They (Indians) are indeed good teachers and cheap however Thais would indeed find such a situation difficult to accept and parents will vote with their feet by withdrawing their children from the school.

Sadly this is an establishment that is tearing its self apart for the gratification of certain people who have jumped on the band wagon of the quick buck,the longest serving teacher is very quick to defend the school yet cannot lower himself to either speak to or mix with the other staff indeed he is a reincarnation of one of the Oracles from the Temple of Delphi (or so he thinks ).

The academic manager still is suffering from the days of the Raj and indeed wants to and does extract a disorted revenge on the Anlgo Saxon staff irrespect of their country of origin in conjunction with his lapdog and a long serving member of staff.

These tactics were shown in the witch hunt against an American staff member who was removed from the school because he spoke his mind and also observed his religious belief too.Indeed a fine example of the ressurection of the Salem Witch Hunts and spearheaded by the dismissed members fellow countryman.

I have finished my comments and I shall speak no more.

Nemo me impane lacessit

[Mods-Rockers]

Thanks Dalet! One hopes that other will realise that is possible to critique a school without resorting to sexual and religious inuendo about the players, I am not absolutly certain about te use of dog breeds in discriptive phrases but it sure beats shirtlifting SDA!

Its been some 40 years since I studied any latin, found myself reaching for the universal translator a few times

Cheers again!

[certified]

Thanks Dalit!

First, the Director needs to bring in professional outside education consultants to regain the control of his dream.This is a ship without a rudder.

Second, the hiring process should be done by someone with objective professional experience. I have a feeling that the Indian manager  is hiring friends  and family  .

[herrkutz]

I have the pleasure (?) of working at Pan Sia school which in it self is not a bad place, however whilst visiting elsewhere I was directed by a friend to the following

ajarn.com  postbox section and the last posting dated July 26th 2006 titled "Your never too old to teach".

I have never ever read such a turgid piece of literature in my life, the person who wrote it is our current asst academic manager.

Does that not epitomise the school ?

Perhaps a couple of years in Pattaya boozing and trifling with the lasses tuned his mind.

Or was it the prospect of problems with the then new proposed visa rules one asks ?

This explains the mad frantic rush we had to secure a work permit for the above mentioned.

THOSE WHOM THE GODS SEEK TO DESTROY THEY FIRST MAKE MAD.

DID WELL WITH THE ASST ADMIN WALLAH !!

LOADS OF MONEY AND A NEW CAR (HIRE ) PURCHASED. 

[hero]

Could you post us a link to the article on ajarn.com - I would certainly be interested in taking a look.

[DerringDo]

It looks as though it's gone as the last post is 31st July 2006.

[nortyrascal]

Anyone with any common sense at all should stay away from this school Pan Asia International School.The real name is PAN ASIA ISLAMIC SCHOOL, the place is a front for goodness knows what activities.

It is not an International school, the number of Thai students far exceeds the legal 50% rule, there is no curriculum, the place is only registered as a primary school therefore all grades above year 6 are illegal.The prospect of accreditation by WASC is but a dream Wasc regard the place as a joke

The majority of teaching staff are not capable of speaking good English. 
Hostesses from Phillipino gambling joints with forged documents teach in the kindergarten,the school has had to give  a free months schooling in kindergarten 2 as the kids are below level due to unqualified teachers who can't teach and a terrible staff loss rate too .

Teachers who have not completed their degree course are working on student visa's all Moslems too,the school policy is no dancing for kids in grade school, segregation of the sexes,no acceptacne of Buddhism as Islam deems dancing and the mixing of sexes no mater how young sinful.

No other religion can be mentioned or practiced, the library is heavily censored to screen out un Islamic influences and western content too.

Too many Islamic staff appear only to vanish very quickly, why do they vanish where do they go ? Money is in short supply or is money being reused for matters other than education ?


Then avowed school policy is Muslim students only a boarding school, a vocational college for Muslims only,no loyalty to Thailand at all. I saw the map of the Jewish state of Israel and the Jewish flag ripped off of a wall display map of the world by the female student affairs coordinator screaming ''filthy jews are scum'' and other delightful comments in company with another Muslim teacher.Yet tolerance is expected for all things Islamic.

The school manager an Muslim Indian from Uttar Pradesh is a scheming backstabbing piece of humanity me first at all costs,so much the Indian doctor in Orwells Burmese days, uneducated in the area of education but with animal cunning as is his aide a westerner who  happily sells his fellow westerners down the river so he can go to Pattaya evey weekend for his dubious pleasures,all the fat twat wants is his visa,the Thai principal is but a puppet,the true power lies with the Jordanians and the Indians in the school contrary to Thai law regarding school administrations.

A poor excuse for a religious indoctrination school with what motives one asks ?

[Sadly-confused]

I was very tempted to just delete the above as pure BS, but decided to leave it as an example of how not to post!
First this;

ISLAMIC SCHOOL, the place is a front for goodness knows what activities.

and then;

Too many Islamic staff appear only to vanish very quickly, why do they vanish where do they go ? Money is in short supply or is money being reused for matters other than education ?

are you trying to imply that the school is a front for some sort of jihadist training? Come now! Factual criticism of the school is good, but this type of paranoia hardly befits a teachers website!

It is not an International school, the number of Thai students far exceeds the legal 50% rule,

  The same could be said about the majority of second and third division INT. schools in LOS

Wasc regard the place as a joke

at best, supposition, or are you claiming to have access to WASC internal memoranda stating this?

Hostesses from Phillipino gambling joints with forged documents teach in the kindergarten,

And you know this for a fact? Did you spend time in the Phils? Did you frequent that gambling dens (maybe do a little horizontal gymnastics with the hostesses)?  Or did they tell you; “Mr rascal, I no a teacher, I a ho from gambling house, I do quickie, quickie for you,love you big big”
Come now facts work, gross innuendo does not befit a teacher!

Shall we go on? I hardly think so!

A poor excuse for a religious indoctrination school with what motives one asks ? 

A poor excuse for a well [sic] thought out and crafted post, with what motives one asks ?

[RobRoy]

Sadly,

Perhaps he was quaffing down a beer with a WASC guy who was at the pub with his Filipina girlfriend who works PanAsia who happened to work at a gambling "establishment" in the Philippines and got the whole story from them.

Then again, he could be full of sh_t.  Wish we had been given facts rather than someone's opinion. 

[Sadly-confused]

RR that is indeed a possibility!

[brian_q]

Opinion, rather than facts, seems to be what most posts are about.

Brian_q

[fed_up]

Opinion, rather than facts, seems to be what most posts are about.

Brian_q

First of all, I ain't the above poster so don't get your flamethrowers ready yet. So you want facts, right ? Ok, there are many so let's just mention a few:

1) Just recently, all of the staff was forced to work during a Thai religious holiday illegally. A flier was issued for the kids, "encouraging" Buddhist ones to come to school "if they really didn't have to perform Buddhist services". The rationale given was: "You get Muslim holidays free so you have to work during the Buddhist ones".

2) During my "time" there, I used to think that Saudi Arabian money was running the place. That is totally or partially incorrect. It became clear now that the Omanese (that little petrol rich country of Oman) money is being pumped into this school. You might say so what ? Sure, it's up to you to draw your own conclusions from that, I am just giving you "the facts" remember ?

3) As per item #2, the main building now has Arabic writing on it in big silver letters. It was also recently renamed to "Muscat building" after the capital of Oman. It also has the Omanese flag plastered on its main facade at the same height with the Thai flag. This actually is an insult to Thailand as you are supposed to fly the flag of the country you are in higher than any others because of your respect for its sovereignity (there might even be laws forcing you to do so but I ain't a lawyer, so I have no idea if this is "a fact").

4) Many people at this school work on different visas. I personally used to know a couple of them. So, it's "a fact". It may be irrelevant to whatever your situation may be at the school (with which I wholeheartedly agree), but it just goes to show how the school is being run.

5) There are cameras and microphones everywhere. Even in the kid's toilets . All of them are continuously recording. There are plans to extend the cameras into the classrooms (art, computer, science labs have them installed already) next year.

6) Children are segregated according to their gender. Many Thai parents complained about this non-mixing of the sexes to no avail. They probably didn't know that they were sending their kids to a school governed according to Islamic rules. Even if they didn't initially they learned quickly later on.

7) The incident about the tearing the flag of Israel from a wall map display is true. It is "a fact". The people behind that were the school spy (sorry M.....a) and MN. Whether it's important to you or not is up to you to decide. If you have a somewhat thicker skin about anything related to Israel just think of the flag of your country of origin being ripped to pieces.

6) The school's extension plans are mind boggling. They will use the Omanese money to buy more land and build more buildings. They are aiming to have a much bigger kindergarten ("get 'em while they are still young"), a boarding school (probably for the intended future clients who are fleeing the conflict down south) and a vocational college (for the intellectually challenged who still don't cut it even after their grades were artificially inflated).

And many, many more facts do still exist but I'm tired. It's up to you, the reader, to decide what to think of about "the facts" I gave you above. Entirely up to you, but I will just clarify one gray area for the admin who commented on the concept of "JIHAD". Well, according to Islam, any effort to uphold it and further its cause is considered as Jihad, so when someone mentions the word don't just have mental images of bearded men in suicide bomb vests. Even establishing an Islamic school, running it and expanding it is not only theoretically but also literally seen to be "Jihad" by the followers of Islam.

I will just mix in a little bit of my opinion and feelings at the end of this post: While I don't agree with the 5th post above, I totally understand his or her feelings. While you are working at this school, you always keep getting the uneasy feeling that "these guys are up to something". Maybe it's the cameras, maybe it's the lies they tell you, maybe it's their demeanor, or their false smiles. Maybe it's the lack of any signs of other religions, maybe it's the lack of any non-Muslim thoughts and concepts in the curriculum. Maybe it's the Islamic architecture of the building, maybe it's the fact that you are locked inside the school and not allowed outdoors (except during lunch breaks). Maybe it's just one or all of those, but I "totally dig you" dear fellow poster, I had the same "paranoid" feelings after a while. I wish you had kept your post at a professional level rather then a personal one.

[hero]

Opinion, rather than facts, seems to be what most posts are about.

That is the nature of the internet, is it not Brian?

I mean this is a discussion board and not an encyclopaedia after all

[bomha]

The flag etiquette I recall is that flags of sovereign countries are flown side by side, at equal height.  Now, if they start flying the Islamic flag higher than the Buddhist flag......do religions have flags?

Obviously, this is an Islamic school.  There's a school in Chiang Mai, I'm told, that's owned and run by Turkish Muslims (Wichai Wittaya, maybe is the name), but they don't do all that Islamic stuff, and don't claim to be an interantional school, I'm told

[RobRoy]

Ok, here I go with all those pesky questions again...

1. Many people work on Thai holidays...its not illegal.  Perhaps its in your contract that you get Thai holidays off and they asked you to work...its up to you to decide to work or blow them off...but its not illegal.  Many teachers are asked/required to work holidays. 

2. Saudi or Omani money...what's the difference? Since I don't know the difference I'm not drawing any conclusions. 

3. Where I work there's a building on campus called the Sukothai building.  So what?  Do you really think it pisses off all the Burmese students?  Why is this something special about PanAsia

4. Agree with this...the visas the teachers are on are one good way to judge the schools charactor. 

5. Many schools have cameras everywhere.  Its something to do with the Thai's insecurity complex.  Why is different about PanAsia?

6. TIT...all schools want to expand thus increasing profits.  Why is PanAsia different?

These are some points I just don't understand.  Could the people working there please explain further?

Thanks,
RR

[bawpenyang]

Well, the proof is in the pudding. Some new teachers have been hired to start August 1st, 2007. It will be a litmus test to see what really goes on at this school.

[fed_up]

Yeah, pesky indeed, but let's try our best to answer them:

 

Ok, here I go with all those pesky questions again...

1. Many people work on Thai holidays...its not illegal.  Perhaps its in your contract that you get Thai holidays off and they asked you to work...its up to you to decide to work or blow them off...but its not illegal.  Many teachers are asked/required to work holidays. 

Actually, it is quite illegal to make someone work on a Thai holiday without getting his/her agreement. Refer to Thai employment laws again.

2. Saudi or Omani money...what's the difference? Since I don't know the difference I'm not drawing any conclusions. 

There is no difference as to whether it is Saudi or Omani money. The point being made here is that this is a Muslim school masquerading as an International one.

3. Where I work there's a building on campus called the Sukothai building.  So what?  Do you really think it pisses off all the Burmese students?  Why is this something special about PanAsia

Refer to above answer.

4. Agree with this...the visas the teachers are on are one good way to judge the schools charactor. 

Thank you.

5. Many schools have cameras everywhere.  Its something to do with the Thai's insecurity complex.  Why is different about PanAsia?

This school is NOT being run by Thai people. Even though we are to be OK with the presence of cameras (it's their school after all), no sane argument can justify the presence of them in the kids' toilets

6. TIT...all schools want to expand thus increasing profits.  Why is PanAsia different?

I guess you might never know the answer to this question unless you work there. Please take the time to apply at Phil's site and find out for yourself. They are in constant need of teachers.


I suppose if you are genuinely asking these questions and are not one of the cronies of the PAMS management you should heed the good advice given here. You can opt to bury your head in sand instead and as I said before, find out for yourself. Now where was the thread of that guy who accepted the NIVA job against advice 

[Sadly-confused]

There is no difference as to whether it is Saudi or Omani money. The point being made here is that this is a Muslim school masquerading as an International one.
 

sorry dude, in my time in LOS I have worked for a phillie catjolic scholl and an American Baptist school school both posing as international! Please define where your case is in any way different?

This school is NOT being run by Thai people.   

But it id licenced by the Yjai Government, no?

I guess you might never know the answer to this question unless you work there. Please take the time to apply at Phil's site and find out for yourself. They are in constant need of teachers 

I guess we never will know the answer, this site relies on accurate reporting, when a user finds the reporting less than accurate and the OP resorts to “work there and see” what are we to think?

[RobRoy]

Naw, I don't have anything to do with the school.  But I want specific examples of how teachers are mistreated.  There are many Thai schools that pretend to be something other than what they actually are, there are many schools never heard of turning out top students. 

Once again, please answer specific questions.
If you're working on a Thai holiday, is that your problem or the police? If its illegal, why are you working and risking arrest?  If you chose to agree to it (per Thai law providing you get compensation equal to one day of work per month).  Many schools ask this of teachers and we have several choices...blow off the school, do it and perhaps, maybe hopefully be paid, or do it to help the school.

If I'm not mistaken, all businesses in Thailand at some point are owned by Thai's.  Now it may be Muslim Thai's etc...but I'm fairly sure most businesses are Thai owned.

You asked us to draw our own conclusions concerning the fact that Omani money is funding the school...what conclusions should I draw?

Cameras in the toilet...no answer to that.

Lastly...

There are alot of schools here pretending to teach this or that.  Thats the way of things here.  What I want to know is how teachers are treated, not the school's religious background (See the BCC thread) or who is a wanker in management at a school.  How does all of this affect you as a teacher?  Explain this without giving opinions on the schools setup, beliefs or whatever.

[fed_up]

There is no difference as to whether it is Saudi or Omani money. The point being made here is that this is a Muslim school masquerading as an International one.
 

sorry dude, in my time in LOS I have worked for a phillie catjolic scholl and an American Baptist school school both posing as international! Please define where your case is in any way different?

This school is NOT being run by Thai people.   

But it id licenced by the Yjai Government, no?

I guess you might never know the answer to this question unless you work there. Please take the time to apply at Phil's site and find out for yourself. They are in constant need of teachers 

I guess we never will know the answer, this site relies on accurate reporting, when a user finds the reporting less than accurate and the OP resorts to “work there and see” what are we to think?

Yeah, dude, whatever... I rest easy tonight as I have done my job warning others which I believed (and still want to believe) this site was all about. In fact I checked this site out before I accepted PAMS offer a while ago and there was no information so I happily signed my name on the dotted line.

I really don't care whether you believe what's been said or not so I don't give a rodent's behind about your comment of
"when a user finds the reporting less than accurate and the OP resorts to “work there and see” what are we to think?"

Up to each and every person to decide for himself/herself.

[fed_up]

Naw, I don't have anything to do with the school.  But I want specific examples of how teachers are mistreated.  There are many Thai schools that pretend to be something other than what they actually are, there are many schools never heard of turning out top students. 

Once again, please answer specific questions.
If you're working on a Thai holiday, is that your problem or the police? If its illegal, why are you working and risking arrest?  If you chose to agree to it (per Thai law providing you get compensation equal to one day of work per month).  Many schools ask this of teachers and we have several choices...blow off the school, do it and perhaps, maybe hopefully be paid, or do it to help the school.

If I'm not mistaken, all businesses in Thailand at some point are owned by Thai's.  Now it may be Muslim Thai's etc...but I'm fairly sure most businesses are Thai owned.

You asked us to draw our own conclusions concerning the fact that Omani money is funding the school...what conclusions should I draw?

Cameras in the toilet...no answer to that.

Lastly...

There are alot of schools here pretending to teach this or that.  Thats the way of things here.  What I want to know is how teachers are treated, not the school's religious background (See the BCC thread) or who is a wanker in management at a school.  How does all of this affect you as a teacher?  Explain this without giving opinions on the schools setup, beliefs or whatever.

Go back and read pages 1 to 3. "Seek and ye shall find the answers", especially the ones about the management. Those said, I bow out saying no more.

[RobRoy]

I've asked specific questions looking for specific answers...and haven't gotten any. 

Asked about working illegally on holidays...no answer.

Asked about the differences between Omani and Saudi contributors...no answer.

Mentioned the fact that many schools are less than advertised...and asked how does that affect you as a teacher...no answer.

Its a good idea you're reminding us to seek and find out.  When you can give us specific problems that affect the day to day of a teacher, without dipping into the soci-political aspects of working in such a school then perhaps we will find out what problems exist in the school..or should we just take your warning to watch out for Omani's in general because "You know how they are."

[hero]

Post removed by me.

Personal attacks on other posters aren't cool 


Hero

[danner]

Hey Robroy,

Fess up, you are only trying to defend the school because you are friends with a Pan Asia administrator or perhaps one of the few posters who actually defends the school -right?

Is a low standard set by Thais and Thailand a good reason to defend a mediocre school.

If the Thais lie and cheat their workers, will you get up and say: "well, what do you expect, you are in Thailand?"

Why are you defending the school? What is in it for you?

As far as I can tell, you are asking about facts, but you provide little substance yourself; your whole arguments is based on some supposed higher-understanding of the country and its educational institutions, but in reality, you know little about Thailand or its schools.

Let me guess, you have been here for a few years and can speak some Thai, wow, another self-proclaimed guru of the LOS (from the UK, OZ or America -right?). Danner

[anyonefortennis]

Danner,
 

Why are you defending the school? What is in it for you?

Take a pill man. I reckon the bloke was only asking for what we all like to see, solid answers to some questions, but no one appears to have em.

but in reality, you know little about Thailand or its schools.

How prey tell, would you know what RR does or does not know?

Let me guess, you have been here for a few years and can speak some Thai, wow, another self-proclaimed guru of the LOS (from the UK, OZ or America -right?). Danner

I've gone thru RR's last few posts, and it would appear he is asking (repeatedly) for information about things that directly affect teachers working at the school - so I've gotta ask you Danner - WTF are you on?

And before you ask, I'm neither related to or indeed friends with RR, have never worked for him and have no relationship with any of his administrators...........I just thought you sounded like a bit of a plonker 

[sabai_sabai]

Hey Robroy,

Fess up, you are only trying to defend the school because you are friends with a Pan Asia administrator or perhaps one of the few posters who actually defends the school -right?

Is a low standard set by Thais and Thailand a good reason to defend a mediocre school.

If the Thais lie and cheat their workers, will you get up and say: "well, what do you expect, you are in Thailand?"

Why are you defending the school? What is in it for you?

As far as I can tell, you are asking about facts, but you provide little substance yourself; your whole arguments is based on some supposed higher-understanding of the country and its educational institutions, but in reality, you know little about Thailand or its schools.

Let me guess, you have been here for a few years and can speak some Thai, wow, another self-proclaimed guru of the LOS (from the UK, OZ or America -right?). Danner

If you want an elite Western education, you won't find it anywhere in Thailand.  Even the best international schools take students that have no business being in international school because their parents have the money to send them.  All international schools are businesses that market themselves and with far more competition, more schools struggle to keep up enrollment.  Accepting students that don't have the right educational background does make a school less than ideal for everyone to get that "elite" education.

Things are changing (more kids than ever are in international schools here, for one) and many teachers in Thailand are trying to provide the best education they can.  But it doesn't change like switching on a light and pushing too hard makes us sound rather like the Westerners that Thailand managed never to be colonized by.  Some Thais and school owners see that we are trying to help and those are the best people to work with.  (We want to know who they are and aren't, that's the point of this forum.) They will all still accept that check for millions of baht and accept a fourth grader who can't read though.  Now, I can choose to yell about that or I can choose to work with the kids and think of change in the long term.

Look at what education in Thailand was and how far it's come: history of Thai Education

All in all, if a parent asked me whether or not Thailand would provide the same education as a good school in the West; I'd say no.  Perhaps in ten years the answer will be different, but for now we can only do so much.

I've already said all that there is for me to say about PAIS, although it's a bit disturbing that some rather racist comments are still being made as it really takes the focus away from the real problems that exist there.  Not to mention, it's just ugly.

[certified]

I can understand why any teacher who has been involved with an organization such as Pan Asia, would find it in their best interests not to be too specific, as it might reveal their identity and leave them in a number of vulnerable positions.

[fed_up]

I can understand why any teacher who has been involved with an organization such as Pan Asia, would find it in their best interests not to be too specific, as it might reveal their identity and leave them in a number of vulnerable positions.

Definitely the reason why I can't provide any further information to RR's questions, irrespective of the fact that he might or might not be genuine. Put simply, I am frightened of those guys. There is heaps more to tell, but any more revelations and they would know exactly who I am.

Oh, btw, I forgot to tell you: Word on the street is that both MN (the academic director) and his Scottish lapdog are following this thread very closely but choosing not to answer. I wonder why ? tsk, tsk, tsk...

[RobRoy]

I'm genuine....I actually had the head of human resources be invited to my wedding reception as a "networking" favor to me (meaning I didn't invite him someone else did).  Towards the end of the evening he decided all the unemptied bottles of whiskey should be a present to himself (I had actually planned to use them for another party later that night).  I decided then and there not to work for the pompous as_hole.  But, in the interest of fairness I've decide to ask what the specific problems are at that school.  What problems directly affect the teachers?  Thats all.  If the current teachers can explain the problems they face then please do it.  I've asked questions and understand perhaps current are unable to answer these questions, but if the current teachers post, they should provide complete answers.  If they're worried about what the school thinks, then get on a jobs website and explore your options.

And no, I don't work there, don't care to work there and the last thing I've ever been is a toady.  If you're going to sing...sing the whole song, not just the first few bars.

And if your scared of your management, don't you think perhaps a change in working environments is in order? 

[certified]

Rob Roy had PAN ASIA International School people attending his wedding? 

Is this is why he is so aggressive with hounding us for details and endless clarifications?
 

Rob, you look a bit compromised because of your relationship with Pan Asia.

[Mods-Rockers]

Rob Roy had PAN ASIA International School people attending his wedding? 

Is this is why he is so aggressive with hounding us for details and endless clarifications?
 

Rob, you look a bit compromised because of your relationship with Pan Asia.

Certified, you struck me as a prat before, the above statement not only confirms this but points to your being a complete and utter prat!

BTW you forgot to mention that robroy is actually an acronym for a senior of an ultra secret department within the 7th day secret society for the total destruction of all things!

[RobRoy]

Rob, you look a bit compromised because of your relationship with Pan Asia.

My question would be how?  Because some guy showed up at my wedding uninvited by myself or my wife?  Perhaps, it could be that I want to hear a straight forward answer to an accusation against a school?  Lets sling mud...its much easier than slinging facts. 

Mods...this has gone off topic...when was the last post of a specific problem at this school?  When was the last time these problems were discussed.  I would suggest the thread get back on topic...that being SPECIFIC problems at Pan Asia.  We teachers can spend all day talking about each other, but lets hear about Pan Asia.  Thats the topic of this thread.

[certified]

Rob, what I meant by being a bit compromised is that some people might think you have some loyalty, no matter how small it might be,to your friends and guests at your wedding.

In your search for clarifications, you must realize that all posters here require their security, before your desire to know all the details. I'm sure you understand this.

[Geekboy]

I'd run not walk from this. If what RobRoy is saying, knowing that the same flunkies at Pan Asia used to work at Niva, then I'd stay far away. Thanks for the warning RobRoy!

About Niva:
http://www.teflwatch.org/forum/index.php/topic,444.msg8584.html#msg8584

About Pan Asia:
http://www.teflwatch.org/forum/index.php/topic,1299.msg9019.html#msg9019

 

[certified]

 

Rob, could furnish us with more details concerning the empty whiskey bottles at your wedding?
Do you think this incident would reflect to any degree, the person's managerial character in the work place?

[herrkutz]

What can we say about the current management strategies and indeed the calibre of the management team at "Pan Asia our school ?

The other one,the minions handler is very fond of cricket and feathering his own nest and any cost. Then there are the spies M*****a and A***n and M****n the comfort lady  Y**Y** who are absolutley terrified of losing their positions as being possibly unemployable elsewhere.Regarding the whisky episode I am not able to comment on the matter as I have no prior knowledge of it. But if Niva school was a past employer of the miscreant all I can say "I s God or Allah help us all"

Ah I forgot the cook with the wannabees degree who is leading a double life, be careful of him or is it her? Perhaps some of the staff who have a desire for both the ladies of the night and alcohol in excess are not to be trusted either.

Indeed I have had some strange working experiences around the world but Pan Asia is indeed a cesspit of intrugue, no wonder Arabs carry scimitars,in this school you need them !!! 

There are no managers,the wee scotty dog is but a messenger as he always claims and indeed our Jordanian staff refer to him (wee scotty dog) as ''the paper carrier".

They also (the Jordanians) can't understand why there is a manager or claimed academic manager of Indian origin who in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan would not be even considered for an academic managers position even if there was the remote possibility of being considered a professional person.

Alas the place is indeed in a constant state of flux and intrigue due to the two faced double dealing academic manager and his sidekick.

There are indeed some fine examples of the multi cultural society working here,it is such a shame English is the minority language here in a professed International school.The amazing fact is that poor speakers of English are teaching the remedial classes!

The school role is a topic of speculation as is the actual status of the school and indeed many of the staff too.It was indeed intersting to note that a Muslim boarding school has just been closed in the south of Thailand due to weapons being found there.Perhaps the students and staff may join us here at Pan Asia,indeed I hope not!

I will honor my contract but once it is up I will be gone faster than a negro from a K.K.K. meeting or a Rabbi from the mosque room here at our school !!!

[twomillion]

Before I ask for your help Herrkutz, I guess congratulations are in order. It seems that your great Pan-Asian smear-campaign has claimed its first victim from the management ranks at your school. You seem so concerned that your inept managers receive their comeuppance that surely you were delighted that PAIS have taken it upon themselves to fire a certain Mr T*****l who ran their kindergarten department (into the ground, by all accounts) for the past academic year. Good for you. Sadly, this man, who wasn’t even competent enough to work at PAIS, has washed up on my school’s doorstep. With only the best interests of my school at heart, what action would you suggest that I take? Is slating him on ‘teflwatch’ a good thing to do? It seems to have worked for you.

When I first met Mr. T recently and he claimed to have been employed in a management position in his previous school, I was almost frantic to be assured that such appallingly misguided promotion was mythical even in Thailand. So I went straight onto teflwatch and, yes, all the shortcomings of PAIS management mirrored those of my new colleague perfectly. Herrkutz, you wrote that you’ll ‘honor’ your contract so I guess you’re still working at PAIS. Working conditions must surely have improved after this manager left? With people like him out the door, things at PAIS must be on the up, right? 

Keep fighting the good fight, Herrkutz. Well done for helping to rid your own school of at least one incompetent degenerate. I hope that my school’s head realizes the what a poor hire he’s made before any serious damage is done. 

[herrkutz]

Brother twomillion

I am indeed honored that you have seen the efforts of my crusade and also appreciate them,my next target is A.D.S. followed by M.N. and the third rate non native English speakers currently supposedly teaching subjects in English at our school.

My dealings with Mr.T^^^^^l were limited to conversations, however I found him a sincere and erudite man with a wealth of experience and a dedicated teacher even though he was swimming against the current at Pan Asia School, yes he spoke his mind however he was correct in his statements, the school did not like his stance or his ability, hence the actions taken by the school.I rephrase that M.N. and A.D.S. did not like his stance like that of the arabic teacher Mr Jaffar who was tossed out of the door at a moments notice after some three years of service to the school a truly great teacher too was Mr.Jaffar

What I do find strange is that two other teachers were subject to a witch hunt(one by his friends who stabbed him in the back) the other becuase he had social conduct problems and thety were out of the school so quick it was
was obscene yet Mr.T^^^^^l was retained until the end of his contract and also received a handsome pay off to. Hush money ? I have never seen any postings by Mr.T^^^^^l here and his rhetoric was very identifiable in it own way,the guy had a degree in sarcasm and a wonderful dry wit too.

The kindergarten is appalling as  90% of the teachers are not native speakers of English and their language ability in English is 3rd rate.

Mr.T^^^^^l tried to remove them or at least sideline them but the old Filippino mafia along with the comfort lady defeated him.

Would you believe that one of the kindergarten teachers with two boys at the school even said to me that she was worried how her boys English had changed for the worse since leaving Bangkok Patana school and coming here to Pan Asia School.That was from a non native speaker of English too !!!   

if the notorious Mr T^^^^^l has as you put it "washed up at your school" it is your duty to expose him and name and shame him too, however make sure youare not in a glass house as the stones you throw may well cause you more damage than the target if your facts are not correct.

Did he run the kindergarten into the ground or was he just the sacrifice of M.N and A.D.S. with whom he clashed swords with a time or two by telling them they were on the wrong road. A.D.S. openly admits he had no experience with kindergarten or indeed primary school.

Having seen him (A.D.S.) take a grade class and leave it ranting raving and screaming  (A,D,S that is) I do wonder as to his claimed educational background.There were if you don't know a number of problems in getting  the paperwork of A.D.S. confirmed from the U.K.

A quote from A.D.S." Some ten years ago you could go down Kao San Road and get any degree you wanted". Would that be indicative of the degree status of A.D.S. ?

You must two million do it expose the bad man incompemtent degenerate that he is or so you state, go to bed with a clear mind knowing that you like me are a person of honor and a truth seeker. Let us see your reply.

[certified]

Does anyone at PAN ASIA have an authentic educational background?

 

[brian_q]

Do you guys proof-read your postings before you post them?

Brian

[Anna Key]

ooh, I'm enjoying this one.  Hob-Nob anybody?  **Pulls up deckchair**

[twomillion]

Herrkutz, are you truthfully reporting the facts? I don't buy it.

'90% of the teachers are not native speakers of English and their language ability in English is 3rd rate.'

You mean to tell me that non-native speakers of English are being employed in Kindergarten, in an international school! lol. How ANYONE could reasonably be expected to 'co-ordinate' that mess is beyond me. If what you say is true, Herrkutz, then I'll reserve my judgement on Mr T.   

[fed_up]

I can confirm that:

1) There is only 1 native speaker, J..n, left amongst the kindergarten teachers (hence the pitiful ads for native speakers and a director for the kindergarten).

2) The head of the kindergarten was indeed a truly nice person who actually gave a damn about his work. In fact, he was promoted as the director of the kindergarten and his salary was increased many months after he took up his position, well beyond the 3 month probation period. He was told to "DO ACTIVITIES !!"  (just like everyone else at PAMS) without any other specific instructions (just like everyone else at PAMS) and demoted when he wanted to actually teach something and finally soft-fired from his job (meaning that his contract was not renewed and given hush money not to talk about the school anywhere, just like everyone else kicked out of PAMS).

Oh, and I am not the said director under the magnifying glass.

[tony]

Well, I finally have to comment.  I have been working here for a while and I can't believe what I read on here.  First of all 90% of all these post are made by one person using different names.  This person may or may not have legitimate complaints, but he also did the same thing to the last school that sacked him.  He's got a problem with complaining. 

I don't know who said they're working here now and posted on here because that's a lie.  There are only three a handful of teachers here right now, as everyone else is on paid holiday.  Who would be obligated to a contract in July?  This is an international school, everyone's on holiday. 

The school pays the salaries, there is almost no pressure put on teachers, you're given nearly complete freedom in the classroom, you're only obligated to make one lesson plan a week, what else could you ask for? 

Things aren't perfect but what I've read on this site is nonsense. 

[certified]

Tony, I can assure you I am a single individual. 

No school or manager has any right to inflict suffering on others. This is why this thread began.

[herrkutz]

Ah Tony you are indeed living in the Muslim paradise of milk and honey with the odd virgin thrown in for your pleasure too or so we are told.

Are you aware that there are still teachers on contract although on holiday who are quite capable of making their own judgements as well as reading and making postings as to the state of the (mis) management team of P.A.M.S.

Everywhere I have worked and my co teachers she school strangely has paid the salary and indeed a weekly lesson plan has been a stipulation of the school.Therefore that was rather an inane comment to make I thought

Freedom in the classroom, well if a school has no set curriculum that is what happens.we teachers call that "anarchy".

No pressure on teachers,what about the weekends away at the long stay resort,the diaster that was sports/open day all out of the standard working week,the ignored Thai public holidays too, the daily rant from our revered academic manager and his stooge ?The inability to leave the school in your free periods ?

International school ?

Strangely enough the school is only registered at the M.O.E as a "PRIMARY SCHOOL" so the running of levels above primary i.e. year 6, prathom 6 is in effect an illegal action by P.A.M.S. to go with that the fact that the school has far more than 50% Thai students blows the International School claim into a cocked hat.You check yourself with the M.O.E. 

Indeed we must bow to your superior knowledge regarding the identity of the presumed multiple poster perhaps it is you ? If not reveal your secret(s) then we can cold shoulder the Judas amongst us or even better get them stoned to death for some obscure religious infringement of the school rules !!

A valid comment from an earlier post regarding the teaching staff,we all know that out of some 45-50 teaching staff there are only 8 yes 8 native speakers of English, the rest being of Arabic, Indian,Turkish,Fillippino,Tamil Burmese origin and indeed lacking English language skills too.That has been the case from day one at P.A.M.S.

Parents paying 140,000 baht plus a year for a third rate education for their children with a bias to Islam as the recent letters concerning Thai religious holidays confirmed to us all,forgotten we lost three days holiday in May my friend ?

An academic manager whose background would not stand close inspection regarding educational qualifications along with his stooge too.

No Tony, wake up. Boots and Saddles will soon alert you to the reality of P.A.M.S.

No I am not a multiple poster either nor are others in this thread the truth is being told and it hurt people  .

[fed_up]

I can also assure you S..h (or A..x) that I am a different individual as well.
The reason you haven't seen anything yet is just too familiar to us ex-PAMS people. You'll have to just wait and see until the unholy trio (MN, ADS, and Mu...ma) comes back from vacation.
Oh, btw, if you are S..h (your style is very similar to his manner of speech), then just ask what happened to the American guy you replaced. If you are A..x, we already know what they did to you during summer school, so please...

If you are neither then you are in for the ride of your life buddy ! Just hang on in there until it starts.

[twomillion]

Clearly lots of people who claim to work at PAIS have wildly different views about fairly important issues, not least of which is the curriculum. If you recall the member 'rebuttal' who wrote that 'The curriculum is based upon the Massachusetts state standards...the textbooks come from American educational publishing companies such as Harcourt-Brace, Macmillan, McGraw-Hill, and Scholastic.' This is in stark contrast to what his (supposed) colleagues wrote. First 'Herrkutz' wrote; 'we do not appear to have a curriculum' and then 'Dalit' chipped in with 'There is no curriculum in place at all'.

It would be one person's word against another at this point were it not for the fact that 'Dalit' contradicted himself (in my opinion) by revealing that PAIS does actually have 'xeroxed text books for the students'. If PAIS does have textbooks (in whatever form) then it would have a ready-made syllabus (of the areas and subjects PAIS children study) and thus the school would have the basis for a curriculum.

I'm now interested in reading specific reasons (with examples) of why whatever PAIS does have is not a curriculum. This is the kind of question that people should be asking, the answers would surely benefit everyone.   

[fed_up]

Typical S..n... Trying to muddy up the waters now by trying to distract our attention from the important subjects to meaningless diatribes such as the ex-kindergarten director, presence/absence of a curriculum, etc. etc.

Well, wake up and smell the roses S..n, that English curriculum that you claim to have single-handedly plagiarized, oh sorry, constructed is not even worth the paper it is printed on, so why don't you go back to flipping burgers instead buddy ? My proof ? Your kids still don't have the slightest idea about the V2 and V3 forms of the verb "go".

But, I will still bite a bit: There was/still is no set curriculum at PAMS. Instead, student's books and a well-thumbed, photocopied Massa guidelines are thrown in front of the teachers who are told to "develop their own syllabi" with no guidance from the management at all (which is not surprising as MN's claimed degree is in computer science and his knowledge in any matters concerning education is... well, you get the idea).

MN begs the soft copies of the teacher's syllabi so that he will at least have something to throw in front of the hapless incoming teachers after he fires the "expensive" ones. So, S..n, if I were you I'd not be too full of myself as you are fast approaching that "too expensive" mark yourself.

PAMS is in so much chaos at any given point in time that after a while you stop worrying and start laughing instead. Hysterically, I must add.

[fed_up]

Oh, also S..n, I invite you to explore the differences between the index of a student's book and a syllabus. I guess they skipped that subject at your chef's apprenticeship.

[hero]

If PAIS does have textbooks (in whatever form) then it would have a ready-made syllabus (of the areas and subjects PAIS children study) and thus the school would have the basis for a curriculum.

Not sure about that statement.  I was of the opinion that the school establishes a curriculum and then finds suitable text book material to aid teaching it.  At least that's what happens in my modest Thai government school - the school devises its curriculum based on the Thai Basic Education standards and then look around for textbooks to complement.  Surely one would expect better organisation in a high fee-paying school.

I didn't realise it was as simple as copying a few textbooks and then calling it a ready-made curriculum.

[certified]

I recall Pan Asia as having no proper hard cover books for curriculum at all. They did have an ample supply of copies made from an Egyptian source that expressed Egyptian culture through ESL work sheets.

The particular methodology they employed was to create a bounded soft cover book made from the total number of worksheets that each student finished. This  in effect, was used to measure the students progress by how many work sheets the student completed, or roughly by how thick the finished work sheet book was.

Each school has its own way of assessment, however this form of student assessment would not be legally tolerated
in America or Great Britain.

This is still a minor problem in the school. The real problem is the current manager  and his little protective gang  that have no business being even near a school.

Qualified teachers, be careful with this group. They don't play fair, they have no regards for any turmoil they they put you through. 

[herrkutz]

Yet again we see the disorted views of one of the quasi management gang who masquerades behind a plethora of aliases namely Mr S^^n and not forgetting the newly arrived at P.A.M.S. Mr S^^^h, who it seems has fallen under the spell that S^^n has cast regarding TRUTH.

Yet here we have twomillion asking for the truth yet being somewhat untruthful himself by hiding who he is,however egomaniacs are soon detetected as we saw.

Sad to say along with A.D.S. and M.N.the two above named are indeed the only folks I know who are capable of limbo dancing under a snake without touching its belly.Boy that is low !!

Now brother twomillion would you consider telling the truth about matters concerning how you hounded your two fellow countrymen to hell and got them fired please and of course you professional plagarism too ?

Of course you are not the highest paid teacher at P.A.M.S. are you ? B^^^n beats you because he knows his job and he is not a backstabber like you either (in more ways than one I hasten to add) Silom road clubs are good fun are they not ? I too know Mr. Ben Doone and Mr. Phil M'cavity.

S^^^h watch your back your predeccessor was fired out of the door at the behest of S^^n along with A.D.S. and M.N. you may think that giving your all to the school assures of a cast iron case don't bank on it,soon the hour of reckoning will come will you be found wanting I wonder ? 

Certified 100% on target, The school is being mismanaged by two unqualified oafs with no verifiable degree background or verifiable working background either.

M.N holds a claimed degree in computer science,yet he admitted to me when I was installing a complex program on a computer he was I.T. challenged !!!

Must be some obscure branch of science he is qualified. As I recall in one of the old school newsletters it was stated the M.N. held a degree in maths and physics. I have a good memory and I don't tell lies !! Liars do need good memories,could some display that quote in the staffroom please for all to see.

My opinion is that indeed he )M.N.) did hold those degrees for a while whilst carrying them for a superior manager whilst he (M.N) was running his sales team in India!!

What other born again liars do we have here I ask ?

I forgot A.D.S. what a track record he claims yet again when we dig we find nothing again I suggest to you that A.D.S. may well have been a school employee however teaching was not his fort'e judged by his classroom performance a while back.He is remarkably good about telling us all how much money he has and how wonderful he is yet he can't express himself properly in either a verbal or written form.This is the member of our mimanagement team that displays postings about bogus teachers from the internet on the notice board to enhance his status,a great diversionary tactic I thought.

He so tries to be one of the boys yet he fails miserably we all feel pity for him a washed up old man with dreams sad to say!!

Remember sports day/open day A.D.S.?

You walking around with your backpack and the walkie talkie displaying and telling us the following  "This is my Thai wife ".Trying to play the executive manager and telling us,the poor bloody teachers we had to pay for our own drinks and food yet yours was free, That shows what a pathetic manager you are ,no concern for your staff just you and your ego.

As has been said"P.A.M.S is not a school offering education it implements INDOCTRINATION" of mismanagement and sadly abuses other peoples religious freedoms by not respecting said religious freedoms of this country and the diverse beliefs of the P.A.M.S. staff.

Well S^^n and S^^^h possibly A.D.S.if he has the balls and of course the alternative to creeping Jesus M.N. put your fingers to the keyboard to justify your actions and the school policies, the curriculum the employment policies.
No you can't can you because the truth is that P.A.M.S. is a total little empire run by metphorical jackbooted idiots.

 

[certified]

The manager, or head teacher, or curriculum advisor, or whatever goofy little title the school has foolishly given to this, lets just say  hominid, who also just happens to be when he wants to be, a fundamental orthodox Sunni Muslim from Lucknow India whose family was converted from the Hindu scheduled caste of Harijans, told me he was a "vice principal" in his last school before getting employment at Pan Asia International School.

Was my fellow teacher and co-worker who has been put into a position of trust, just lying to me? 

[twomillion]

Actually 'certified' the fact alone that Muslims of all denominations can work, and presumably pray, together at PAIS is beginning to sound like one of the school's most redeeming features.

I know you've probably got a million threads to moderate 'Hero' and I'm sorry to slit hairs over this, but if this board is 'moderated' by people with such low levels of English comprehension that they can't even paraphrase accurately, then this will be my last post.
'I didn't realise it was as simple as copying a few textbooks and then calling it a ready-made curriculum.' Those weren't my words. A syllabus is nothing more than a document with an outline and summary of topics to be covered. Quite different from a curriculum, wouldn't you say?

If any of you posters (certified, fed_up and Herrkutz) really are, or were, employed at PAIS, then your words are nothing more than a testament to your own incompetence, idleness and maliciousness. I'm struck by the referal to my new colleague, the ex-KG teacher/coordinator man as a 'director'. What exactly did he direct at your school? Certainly not his department towards something so basic as a curriculum (although I'm heartened by the admission that 'This is still a minor problem in the school'.) For a group of teachers so rightly concerned with the happiness of parents and children, you seem to have neglected to mention that the notorious Mr T. was, according to a personal message sent to my account on this forum, the only teacher to have recieved a formal written complaint from a number of parents of children in his class. Did anyone else get one? Who else was fired?   

You all seem to agree that there is a curriculum of some sort; 'that English curriculum that you claim to have single-handedly plagiarized'. I don't see anyone dispute the existence of guidelines, or internal curriculum development 'well-thumbed, photocopied Massa guidelines are thrown in front of the teachers who are told to "develop their own syllabi"'. Nobody has disputed attempts (however incompetent) at summative assessment either; 'the total number of worksheets ... was used to measure the students progress'.

I respectfully take on board your critique of my educational knowledge, but unlike you guys and/or girls I am here to learn, not assign blame. In summary, I'm no expert but if even the school's staunchest critics are agreeing that PAIS has teaching, learning and assessment materials then I'll choose to collectively describe this as a curriculum albeit one in need of major improvement. Well done to you all for bringing this to public attention.

It just strikes me as odd that teachers who claim to have worked or still work at a school would describe their own efforts in such a derogatory fashion. Let me guess, PAIS management employed you and gave you all that money (they sound quite generous BTW) because they secretly didn't want you to do any work and improve the school?

In defense of the management, or more specifically one of the 'two unqualified oafs with no verifiable degree background or verifiable working background either.'

It seems like you guys and/or girls really need a background check on your managers? Thanks largely to unbelievably lapse and unconfident moderation of this board, enough personal information has been spilled for me, who is in no way connected with PAIS, to help you all. Although it is moderately unethical, and I will nor admit to, endorse or promote such practice, a simple phone call to the school is enough for the receptionist to give any caller the name of the 'Scottish' guy refered to on this board as A.D.S. As people love so much to write about themselves these days, anyone with half a brain can then enter this newly aquired name into the popular UK database www.friendsreunited.co.uk and call up enough information to be satisfied that teflwatch rumours are most likely unfounded in the balance of probability. 

Word of warning though, Frau Herrkutz, this technique works well with other names too!
   
The only thing I don't doubt about any of you teflwatch posters is that you feel you were unfairly treated at PAIS and perhaps continue to be so. I hope things improve for you, but also hope that I never have to call any of you colleagues! You obviously have strong feelings about your experience and this board is continuing to serve a tremendously useful purpose, if for no other reason than to warn other teachers from suffering a similar fate. Good fcuk to you all! 

[certified]

Lets try to drop the curriculum bit all together because the school really is being guided by a man who should be selling used cars, oops I mean rickshaws. He and his supporters don't have the educational range to really create one, and they feel too threatened by someone who can.

People are hired and fired here for subjective reasons. These decisions by and large are made by the the Indian rickshaw salemen, his crafty and cunning wife who enjoys creating uncomfortable religious discussions at lunch time, and their pathetic Benedict Arnolds who enjoy the suffering they inflict on their own countrymen abroad.

Poor curriculum development is hardly the issue, but a by product in this case of a con artist and his wife with  very large chips on his shoulder.


 

[herrkutz]

twomillion ,you are getting a little warm under the collar are you not,implied threats and innuendoes about posters and their identities or presumed identities.

Does this signify that the truth is becoming a little to unpalatable for you and your acolytes in the mismanagement team at P.A.M.S. ?

The reference to the Muslims of varied branches being able to pray together is indeed commendable, however you miss the other part of the religious or in this case non observance of Buddhism, Christianity,etc.

In fact there was as we all know positive discrimination against other faiths by censoring of content in the library and the subject material in the classrooms and the academic material as well,also the non observace of Thai national and Buddhist days as well.

As you indeed said ''ANYONE CAN SUBMIT MATERIAL IN ANOTHERS NAME TO VARIOUS SITES,I THINK THAT COULD BE CALLED INDENTITY THEFT.

You would not stoop so low would you as to do that along with the others you so proudly support,I wonder,wounded cornered animals are indeed dangerous creatures.

Do I note an attempt at profanity at the bottom of your posting ? Indicates your frustration I think.

Another point to enhance the posting a little more.

M.N. also informed me recently (within the last 3 months) that he had completed a M.Ed. in Malaysia over a period of 4 weekend study periods and some on line work in less than one year it was he said "'so easy" .

Ye gods the man is so well qualified he is indeed underemployed and undervalued at P.A.M.S.A professional born again liar.

Poor A.D.S.playing the role of Gunga Din to his beloved M.N. Yes A.D.S we all remember the Kipling piece posted on the wall by your desk "IF". Again done to divert attention from your posturing.I and others had great fun when we saw you tailing round as if you had some important role to play when visiting Arab dignities came to inspect the school when it (the school ) had its begging bowl out "Alms for the love of Allah and P.A.M.S.

Sad to say you were not even noticed,do you have any principles at all ? You sell your collegues down the river so we are able to see what you really are.Lost and worthless in your home country,no doubt a welfare receipient a born again loser, you come to Thailand and here you are strutting around like John Buul , well John Bulls days along with the Empire are gone worthless just like you and P.A.M.S.

In general the majority of the staff although grouped into belief and also national cliques are decent people,just three or four very nasty scheming people who are empire building at the expense of others and their reputations.
I remember the accusations that M.N. made about the lady in the library pocketeting all the library fines, wonderful to accuse people when they are unable to defent themselves isn't it.

We did note that her replacement was of course a proper mallable Muslim girl, control feaks win again.

It will be interesting when the M.O.E. make a suprise visit to P.A.M.S and scrutinise all the documents and of course the status of assorted visa holders too, that is of course if the immigration police do not get ther first.

Watch out there's raid on the horizion, dodgy degrees dubious visa holders ,Bangkok Hilton next stop for some.

[Sadly-confused]

Frankly this thread is starting to leave a very foul taste in the mouth. For those old enough to remember, its becoming like a scene from Corrie, Hilda Ogden and Ena Sharples bickering across the bar of the Rovers were however nowhere near as bad as what we are seeing here!

Gentlemen, (twomillion & herrkutz) if you two want to bicker like a pair of old crones then we can move this thread to sour gripes, if however you are going to make such thinly veiled threats to each other as you have on this page then I would suggest that the thread be closed permanently.

As it stands I am locking the thread for a few days to allow you both to contemplate the error of your ways!

[Sadly-confused]

Unlocked again, Lets see what happens!

[Anna Key]

Well, you missed out Minnie Caldwell for a start.

And Albert Tatlock.

[Anna Key]

...and Martha Longhurst if you are a hardcore fan.

[herrkutz]

Good to be back and indeed I shall try to be a little less subjective upon certain individuals as advised by our moderator.Thank you Sadly Confused for your advice.

It is noticeable that the Pan Asia International (Islamic ) School  web page is now not available infact it is marked as under construction.Wonder why ?

Also it is noticed that Pan Asia International (Islamic) School is advertising elsewhere for two Thai teachers and the person the replies have to be returned to is not the  academic manager M.N. but the personnel manager ,is common sense creeping in at our school at last ?

Along with that particular employment posting was the statement that the school has some 80 to 120 staff and a school roll of 250 students.Do your maths and you come to see the school is not a viable proposition as its income from students is far below that which is needed to fund the school.

Now I understand why all the monies are collected from our Islamic benefactors, it has to be so as the school cannot survive.Yet the same school donates money to W.A.M.Y. (The world association of Muslim Youth) Could not this money be better spent in donating it to a local welfare charity where it would help the less fortunate in our society or is it being used for funding other matters secular or non secular (the money that is).

I met some of our parents at the weekend at a social function and they also know about this posting, their (the parents) opinion is in total agreement with the posters on this site and their criticism of the management team.

As one said ''we went to ask about the quality of teaching in K.G. 2 and the teachers changing so much yet all we got was a talk about food at school and no educational questions answered at all.The same group expressed sadness at the departure of certain staff members and also hoped that the replacements would be native speakers of English in both the kindergarten areas and the the primary and illegal grade school areas.

The general parent opinion is that the teachers are not allowed to teach and that is why children have been already removed from the school and others will not be returning, one parent said her child came home from school saying that ''he wanted to go to Iraq and kill all the Americans there''. This statement was from another student at the school and not a teacher, however it is indeed a worry that such dogmas are appearing in our school.

Should not our management team be addressing these inflamatory statements and questioning why they are made ?
 

[Anna Key]

Ken Barlow's first wife (or was it second?); the one that died when doing the ironing.  Electrocution or fire or both.   

[herrkutz]

Well here we are again the start of another school year and true to form our mismanagement team are going full throttle into a bucket full of nothing. Here is a progress report for all our readers.

M.N. has isolated his self in an inner sanctum and is indeed protected by his own personal firewall consisting of a Wee Scotty dog aged 64 and an American ironman of vast experience in Thailand aged 70 !! The Empire has been built,all hail to Ayotollah M.N.

Only one native speaker of English in our kindergarten department and we are in need of a science teacher and assorted English teachers.The sole survivor of the P.A.M.S. long term staff massacre is assured of work as the school will always need a cook. (Please note the brown mark upon the nose is reputed to be a burn) !!

Indeed this does look good for an International School.P.A.M.S. (Panic Atiquainted Management System ) school is now staffed by people only hired by M.N. and wee scotty dog.

Not one of of the old team remains.

The Thai principal who spoke her mind has gone along with the student affairs woman,the delighful muslim lady who taught our kindergarten children religious studies and the whole male arabic teaching staff.

Frantic appeals for staff on ajarn.com. with promises of salary level and conditions somewhat disconnected from reality.It was interesting however to see our old library lady back (the person M.N. accused of creative accounting practices regerding library fines). She has to train the new library girl in her duties.

We are again off to "The Long Stay Resort" for a bonding exercise no doubt certain members of our mismanagement team will consume copipus amounts of alcohol and proceed to make a total fool of themselves as per normal on the previous gigs they have been on. Sadly the bonding only extends to the activities,social circles are indeed strictly segregated by race and religion as always.

Dress code is bound by our leaders Islamic beliefs as is the food, however there is a local bar away from the resort and no doubt we will fill there coffers whilst on this delightful trip.

So that is it the place is still a mess.I am a little sad that I signed for a further period of time here and perhaps if things do not get better I shall be casting my eyes over the horizion for a somewhat more satisfying position.

I will await the brickbats and possibly plaudits too from this posting.

Salutations Effendi's

[Ronaldo]

Herrkutz

Do you have an update for us?

[fed_up]

Come on herrkutz, give us more dirt please...

[herrkutz]

Don't worry Herrkutz is sitting comfortably listening watching the place and the staff unfold before our very eyes  {}}and soon there will be a report for you all .

Yes I am still here (PAIS)  :dancing:and woudn't the admin dept love to know who I am or who we are .

Teamwork is the key to success in sports games .

[sodslaw]

Used to work at Pan-Asia (INTERNATIONAL hahahahaha what a joke) Muslim School. Can vouch 100% what was said about the INDIAN (MN -> his nickname in my head is "BLACK C..T") and the school.

..... a decent and professional person will never use such words for his x-boss  .

fed_up, this is just a message forum but believe me people judge you by what you post. Your posts symbolise your personality and I am sorry to say that you come across as a complete tosser and a racist who deserves to be fired as you were by your boss  who you refer to as BC!

As a boss he had the authority and he exercised it with joy. If I were the boss  at PAIS, I wouldn't allow the likes of you within 2 km radius of the school.

[fed_up]

..... a decent and professional person will never use such words for his x-boss  .

fed_up, this is just a message forum but believe me people judge you by what you post. Your posts symbolise your personality and I am sorry to say that you come across as a complete tosser and a racist who deserves to be fired as you were by your boss  who you refer to as BC!

As a boss he had the authority and he exercised it with joy. If I were the boss  at PAIS, I wouldn't allow the likes of you within 2 km radius of the school.

Thank you for your rather unnecessary and definitely trollish post. You don't have to worry about me being a racist or a tosser as I am neither. And FYI, I was never kicked out of PAMS, I left voluntarily after I sussed out the place. There are many things I know about what's been going on in there, but unfortunately I can't reveal these highly specific and sensitive information (even if it burns me inside) as doing so would reveal my identity.

My advice to you is if you haven't worked at PAMS refrain from making comments about it. You have no idea how badly managed the place was (and still is apparently) and what a horrible personality the manager had (and still has). So, stop being: a) totally clueless, or b) coming here to call me names when you are probably one of the PAMS management wolfpack yourself.

One more thing to point out: We have invited you, Mr. MN, to come here and discuss the issues that we raised about your poor management policies. This open letter of invitation still stands. I even promise never to call you any names ever again (God knows I feel much calmed down and relaxed after leaving that cesspit of yours) and hold a decent, intellectual discussion. We are aware that you held meetings and discussions about this board and this thread at your school, so why don't you come and do it here Mr. MN ? No need to hide behind IDs to post (or asking one of your cronies to do it for yourself -the bald cook comes to mind instantly), reveal yourself and answer our questions about your practices. We are waiting...

[sodslaw]

..... a decent and professional person will never use such words for his x-boss  .

fed_up, this is just a message forum but believe me people judge you by what you post. Your posts symbolise your personality and I am sorry to say that you come across as a complete tosser and a racist who deserves to be fired as you were by your boss  who you refer to as BC!

As a boss he had the authority and he exercised it with joy. If I were the boss  at PAIS, I wouldn't allow the likes of you within 2 km radius of the school.

Thank you for your rather unnecessary and definitely trollish post. You don't have to worry about me being a racist or a tosser as I am neither. And FYI, I was never kicked out of PAMS, I left voluntarily after I sussed out the place. There are many things I know about what's been going on in there, but unfortunately I can't reveal these highly specific and sensitive information (even if it burns me inside) as doing so would reveal my identity.

My advice to you is if you haven't worked at PAMS refrain from making comments about it. You have no idea how badly managed the place was (and still is apparently) and what a horrible personality the manager had (and still has). So, stop being: a) totally clueless, or b) coming here to call me names when you are probably one of the PAMS management wolfpack yourself.

One more thing to point out: We have invited you, Mr. MN, to come here and discuss the issues that we raised about your poor management policies. This open letter of invitation still stands. I even promise never to call you any names ever again (God knows I feel much calmed down and relaxed after leaving that cesspit of yours) and hold a decent, intellectual discussion. We are aware that you held meetings and discussions about this board and this thread at your school, so why don't you come and do it here Mr. MN ? No need to hide behind IDs to post (or asking one of your cronies to do it for yourself -the bald cook comes to mind instantly), reveal yourself and answer our questions about your practices. We are waiting...

Ok so there's a head teacher/manager who's an Indian and who knows no shit about management or teaching for that matter. FYI, since you guys started this rant he's been promoted to the position of Director!   

Now back to your rant ..... Every school and place of employment has this same problem when an unprofessional scum is employed (it can be you or MN himself). Everyone without any frickin' clue of what really happened pipes up for the next 20 years that MN's a clueless cunt and he did bla bla bla.

To be blunt with 111 posts on this thread about PAIS and this arsewipe you haven't come up with anything of value. You have made vague acusations about MN but produced absolutely nothing. 

I have met MN once (was with them, MN and the Chairman, for at least 5 hours) and they ain't a friend of mine nor would I even say I know them but they seemed to be an okish sort of guys. Not what I expected at the time but what the heck. He, MN, was hosting a party for staff/associates and put his money where his mouth was. I don't know you but from these posts you come across as a loud mouth, drunk who has had too many warm changs and bitter about the world in general and PAIS in particular.

So what can you do - you have a choice "back it up or shut the fudge up" 

[retiredstillteaching]

fed up and herrkutz et al sound convincing to me.

The school fits the classic description of the HoS school in Thailand. Indeed, several teachers have made posts which present the typical and predictable problems farang encounter at Thai schools. The content of the teachers' posts sound thoroughly familiar to me in my experience. 

Posts made in an effort to defend the school blurb out the standard stuff about the teachers who're making posts.

It's good to get the school's attention and to corner the school into accounting for its policies and practices and for the school to feel the consequence of being a fake school that disregards its foreign teachers.

I myself wouldn't go near the place, thanks.

[herrkutz]

Indeed an interesting post by sodslaw who it seems only joined this forum yesterday (using the name "sodslaw' anyway)

I think we have a viper in the nest other than M.N. who he (sodslaw) so stoutly defends. I wonder why sodslaw posted at 11-11 yesterday perhaps the tedium in the materials office bored the old northern person who then decided to brown nose further.

While we are at it what about our student affairs co-ordinator? got rid of any opposition there didn't you M.N.

No sodslaw,you say "you don't work here (Pan Asia Muslim School)" pray tell us why you feel so qualified to pass comments on matters you claim no knowledge of ?

I assure the director M.N .is first rate recycled rectum along with the aged cronies he surround himself with, M.N's qualifications would not stand close scrutiny and also so called ex teachers who profess to be rich managers who have millions in the bank fail miserably too.

What about our so called curriculum expert ?

A  loser who has returned to Thailand to escape his creditors, A co-ordinator whose tenures of stay at any school have to date not exceeded six (6) months in the seven (7) years or so he has been in Thailand, indeed a wonderful selection of staff that M.N. recruited along with teachers removed from schools for assault on students and foul language.

Fillippino's with forged degree's


The good staff with committment both Arabic and Western all very experience were all removed at the behest of an ex cook a leading member of the local gay community,an ancient scot along with certain Fillipino's back stabbing and a coniving lying M.N.as they posed a threat to the uneducated hi-jackers of Pan Asia Muslim School's ideals and the directors aims.

Even the director admitted he awarded himself a life experience degree didn't you Mr.XXX, totally unqualified in any way.Remember the open day speech he made ? We were all there too.

One more question, Is it possible we may be told where the donated money goes and for what purposes is it used I wonder,are we actually a school for kids or an up market money box for the dispersal of funds to some other organizations I wonder ?

[fed_up]

Ok so there's a head teacher/manager who's an Indian and who knows no shit about management or teaching for that matter. FYI, since you guys started this rant he's been promoted to the position of Director!   

True. He was recently promoted to the said position to the dismay of others. Since this is a very recent happening, I can only assume that you have met this person just recently as per your quote, or you are still working there.

Now back to your rant ..... Every school and place of employment has this same problem when an unprofessional scum is employed (it can be you or MN himself). Everyone without any frickin' clue of what really happened pipes up for the next 20 years that MN's a clueless cunt and he did bla bla bla.

Your use of vulgar language does not earn you any brownie points. In fact, I am sure that you are the reincarnated troll who was recently banned from this site by Nemesis himself.

To be blunt with 111 posts on this thread about PAIS and this arsewipe you haven't come up with anything of value. You have made vague acusations about MN but produced absolutely nothing. 

I and many others did produce a lot of real evidence which we are ready to hold an open forum discussion about. I promise wholeheartedly that I will reveal more in my questions when I am directly debating these with MN himself. To you I owe nothing.

I have met MN once (was with them, MN and the Chairman, for at least 5 hours) and they ain't a friend of mine nor would I even say I know them but they seemed to be an okish sort of guys. Not what I expected at the time but what the heck. He, MN, was hosting a party for staff/associates and put his money where his mouth was. I don't know you but from these posts you come across as a loud mouth, drunk who has had too many warm changs and bitter about the world in general and PAIS in particular.

Again, attacking me personally will not impress anyone on this site. Good for you that you met MN in the flesh. He indeed comes across as a decent guy when you first meet him. It's not until you first get called into his office to be shouted at and toyed with that you start to get the real picture. From that point on it's downhill all the way. He will do everything in his power (which has even increased considerably now) to get you out and he will not rest until the job is complete.

So what can you do - you have a choice "back it up or shut the fudge up" 

I can back up my claims very easily. I have many questions that MN would find it hard (if not impossible) to answer. I am just waiting for him to answer our calling for a discussion on this forum.

P.S. PAMS has started using an agency. Maybe, just maybe, we have been able to succeed in our mission of warning other hapless teachers.

[fed_up]

It just crossed my mind to start a unilateral discussion with PAIS (Pan-Asia Islamic School) management team by asking one single question per week. I don't really expect them to answer as they know what they have been up to themselves, this is just for the benefit of the people who have been repeatedly complaining that there was no evidence to our claims.

Here we go with the question of this week:

To Mr. MN: Could you please tell us the status of your school's registration at the MOE ? I have inquired personally, but they don't seem to have PAIS registered as an international school ??!! Could this be due to the fact that an inordinate amount of children with only Thai nationality are enrolled at your school ? Or could this be a clerical error at the MOE ? Or is this due to the fact that someone at your school forgot to change the "INTERNATIONAL" in your school's name to "ISLAMIC" ?

P.S. For all others requiring "evidence", have a look at this link: MOE list of "real" International Schools in Bangkok.
Mr. MN and his cronies are totally aware that their school is not an MOE recognized "real" International School. The only thing international about the place is its fake name. So, why don't we drop the international in the school's name and call it PAN-ASIA ISLAMIC SCHOOL (PAIS) from now on ? Notice that the acronym stays the same. This will be congruent with the "official" name that PAIS uses in its correspondence (in Thai script) which, if I'm not mistaken, translates to English as "Pan-Asia Islamic Welfare Society" ?

RSVP ASAP (if at all possible) please...

[tony]

They've been using the agency for a while now.  That's how they managed to get their kinder staff, one of which has already left.  I talked to the agency about a month ago and they told me they refused to send more teachers to Pan Asia because they were paying late every month.  I guess they've changed their minds, I see their advertising again on ajarn again for Pan Asia. 

[sodslaw]

fed_up/certified

I have got nothing against you guys. I just couldn't stop myself from posting when I read your posts full of racial slurs. If you guys want to hold a decent discussion with the school managment then perhaps it's about time you give up calling names and calling the head BC.

Peace

*P.S: PAIS ain't masquerading as The Confab. As far as I know The Confab is a supply teaching agency that is in no way affiliated to PAIS. They only supply teachers to PAIS same as other agencies* 

[fed_up]

fed_up/certified

I have got nothing against you guys. I just couldn't stop myself from posting when I read your posts full of racial slurs. If you guys want to hold a decent discussion with the school managment then perhaps it's about time you give up calling names and calling the head BC.

Peace

No problems. That's what we have been trying to do all along. Unfortunately, our calls for a decent discussion went unanswered by MN (instead the ex-cook wrote several bumbling paragraphs, probably coaxed into it by the management). Looking back on the slurs, I agree that some have been over the top and I wish that I had never brought the thoughts in my mind and the feelings in my heart out into the open. But, what's done is done and maybe those are good indicators as to how I was made to feel like while I was working at PAIS. Just would like to point out that those comments were made many many months ago and I certainly feel much relaxed now and consider my time at PAIS as a learning experience and water under the bridge.

*P.S: PAIS ain't masquerading as The Confab. As far as I know The Confab is a supply teaching agency that is in no way affiliated to PAIS. They only supply teachers to PAIS same as other agencies* 

Right. Confab is definitely not associated with PAIS. The interesting point was that PAIS must be feeling the pressure now as they went down the path of hiding the school's name behind an agency. In my experience, schools with bad reputation find themselves in this position. Many teachers are reading this thread (judging from the number of thread views), as well as parents of PAIS kids. I don't have a crusade against the school, but I do have a crusade against the incompetent management team. If I can play a role in the betterment of this school by revealing the facts hidden by the people in charge then I will not hesitate in doing so.

[sodslaw]

fed_up/certified

I have got nothing against you guys. I just couldn't stop myself from posting when I read your posts full of racial slurs. If you guys want to hold a decent discussion with the school managment then perhaps it's about time you give up calling names and calling the head BC.

Peace

No problems. That's what we have been trying to do all along. Unfortunately, our calls for a decent discussion went unanswered by MN (instead the ex-cook wrote several bumbling paragraphs, probably coaxed into it by the management). Looking back on the slurs, I agree that some have been over the top and I wish that I had never brought the thoughts in my mind and the feelings in my heart out into the open. But, what's done is done and maybe those are good indicators as to how I was made to feel like while I was working at PAIS. Just would like to point out that those comments were made many many months ago and I certainly feel much relaxed now and consider my time at PAIS as a learning experience and water under the bridge.

*P.S: PAIS ain't masquerading as The Confab. As far as I know The Confab is a supply teaching agency that is in no way affiliated to PAIS. They only supply teachers to PAIS same as other agencies* 

Right. Confab is definitely not associated with PAIS. The interesting point was that PAIS must be feeling the pressure now as they went down the path of hiding the school's name behind an agency. In my experience, schools with bad reputation find themselves in this position. Many teachers are reading this thread (judging from the number of thread views), as well as parents of PAIS kids. I don't have a crusade against the school, but I do have a crusade against the incompetent management team. If I can play a role in the betterment of this school by revealing the facts hidden by the people in charge then I will not hesitate in doing so.

I hope he gathers some courage and pop in for a lil chit chat but prolly he won't! You carry on the good job of revealing the facts but please try to keep it cordial and professional. When I first read your posts, I thought you're a twat but believe me I have changed my mind. What I think now is "if MN is right then IMHO he should come over (knowing that they are aware of this thread) and get things cleared".

But hey the Chairman isn't a bad guy, is he?   

[Ronaldo]

The Chairman is a great guy and that's the problem, he is recognised as a great guy by nearly everyone, but in that recognition some people understand that he is as gullible as they come.

Clearly he is a busy man and  unfortunately does not comprehend what is really going on in his school because he places his misguided trust into the hands of educational imbeciles who are syphilitic in spreading their particular cause, so he is easily tricked by the likes of MN who  like others has his own agenda. Under this type of circumstances you can see why MN got elevated to the position of school director.

No one should hope that school fails but I do hope that this pack of cards comes crumbling down sooner rather than later.

[tony]

I wouldn't say the chairman's a bad guy, but does he have any background in education what so ever?  Any paper qualifications, any experience?  Personally, I think a school that cares so little about its students should shut down.  The school is developing a horrible reputation with student's parents and teachers.  I'm amazed how many teachers, native and phillipino, know about the school and cringe at its name.  Any international school that throws the first white face that walks in the school, into the classroom to be the home room teacher, is commiting a crime in my book.  It's different at a bilingual or Thai school, where the Thai teacher is responsible for the child's future.  Telling the parents that all teachers are screened and perform demo lessons to be selected, is an out right lie.  I would call Pan Asia the British American of international schools.  It's set up almost identically.  Picture this school; here comes a white man.  No experience teaching, never taught a day in his life!  No qualifications.  You're hired, as a home room teacher responsible for the lives of 15 children.  This is not where I would put my children to study.  If it weren't for the Muslim aspect this school would have about 20 students. 

[sodslaw]

I wouldn't say the chairman's a bad guy, but does he have any background in education what so ever?  Any paper qualifications, any experience?  Personally, I think a school that cares so little about its students should shut down.  The school is developing a horrible reputation with student's parents and teachers.  I'm amazed how many teachers, native and phillipino, know about the school and cringe at its name.  Any international school that throws the first white face that walks in the school, into the classroom to be the home room teacher, is commiting a crime in my book.  It's different at a bilingual or Thai school, where the Thai teacher is responsible for the child's future.  Telling the parents that all teachers are screened and perform demo lessons to be selected, is an out right lie.  I would call Pan Asia the British American of international schools.  It's set up almost identically.  Picture this school; here comes a white man.  No experience teaching, never taught a day in his life!  No qualifications.  You're hired, as a home room teacher responsible for the lives of 15 children.  This is not where I would put my children to study.  If it weren't for the Muslim aspect this school would have about 20 students. 

No shit tony. Are you saying that the prerequisite for becoming a scientist is brith in a science lab?
As far as I know he's qualified and experienced enough to run a school. You know that he's been looking after PAIS's operations for over 5 years! So the answer is "Yes" he does have qualification and experience to run a school. Saying that they hire the first white that walks in the school is an outright lie mate.

Are you one of their x-teachers? If yes, please tell us the whole story instead of saying bla bla bla without any valid proof.

Look forward to discussing this issue with you mate. 

[herrkutz]

Possibly sodlaw if you were at the meeting at the start of this academic year you may recall that the "chairman" said in his own words " My  degree is a life experience degree which I awarded myself for my vast experience of life".

I hardly think that actually qualifies as a pukka degree,it may pass in India or some of the Arab states but if he (the chairman) aspires to be a qualified leader in academic affairs it does leave something to be desired.

M.N. is indeed a born again liar and you sodslaw are a mouthpiece, or are you wee scotty dog or an ex cook or even M.N.?

Your rhetoric is hardly that of an educated person and if you are a Pan Asia Muslim School teacher or part of our management team as we suspect, you epitomize the school 100% as it is, an absolute farce.

As has already been stated if it wasn't for the Muslim ethics of the school there would be at most 20 Ss. No it is not an international school in any way nor will  it ever be,ex sales men,an old worked out refugee curriculum writer along with a brown nosing ex cook and a brown nosing Scotsman, staff with fake degrees in the K.G. section the place is a con game from start to finish.

Funny how all the qualified staff from various countries and backgrounds all were worked out of the door so as M.N. could establish his personal fiefdom (or is it thiefdom) ?

Beware fellow staffers we will all have holes in our backs soon from the night of the long knives,  what is going to happen if the M.O.E. inspectors arrive I wonder  ?

[tony]

You can't say that they don't hire any white person willing to hire there.  How many that came for interviews weren't hired?  In their last interviewing session, was there one white person who was not hired?  Even one who may not have quite fit the bill?  I even heard admin laughing about some of the interviewees but still hired them as their were no other options. 

Sodslaw, you don't have to be born in a lab to be a scientist but you do need to know some form of science.  Normally, a scientist would go to school and earn some sort of degree in science.  Now, true some people can learn things own their own and through experience, and maybe can produce things and can be a scientist.  But a life expereince degree in chemistry does not make one a scientist.  Okay, the chairman's been running the school for the last five years you say, I thought this was only its third, but will stick with 5, so now he's gained 3 or as you like 5 years of experience running a school.  But who taught him how to run a school?  What has his work produced?  Extremly high turn over of teachers, students who receive no education or learning of discipline, and absolute chaos.  Sounds like he's teaching himself great things about running a school.

Take for example PAIS day.  All teachers were told weeks in advance to prepare a performance for each of their classes.  However, 2 days before the big day, all teachers were told there would be no dancing.  Great idea.  After all classes had been learning dances, wait 2 days before to decide there would be no dancing.  Then this was changed again, and dancing was allowed.  I think someone in charge may not be the best suited person here.

Normally, you would require the head of a school to have experience and qualifications before they became head of the school.  For example, Coca cola isn't going to hire a CEO with no experience based on the idea that after he worked at the company for 20 years he would then have 20 years of experience. 

[sodslaw]

So tony, you are one of their x-teachers?

[herrkutz]

I fail to see the pertinence of your question sodslaw as to whether "tony" is an ex teacher or not.the comments "tony" made are all correct.

More to the point perhaps is "who are you" ? A born again liar, not very Islamic is it.

Your latest posting confirms "That procrastination is the biggest thief of time "

Of course we know why dancing was in the balance ,it is considered "Haram" isn't it.

Along with that comment I recall M.N. screaming at a boy for being naked in the changing room after swimming ,the boy was 5 years old.

As is the ethic of mixed classes in the school strict separation of boys from girls lest the boys have impure thoughts and indeed the girls are regarded as mere chattels of their masters.

What about some of our students who have openly admitted that when they grow up they want to kill Americans, I can name the children who made the comments.

Perhaps Pan Asia Muslim School is not all it professes to be the aims of the chairman have been hi-jacked by more radical members of the board of directors.

[retiredstillteaching]

This sounds more serious all the time.

[Topper]

Gentlemen,

Please keep identity questions out of the public forum.  Its not appropriate, it may cause trouble for those directly involved and is just plain silly. 

Also, please limit your comments to problems at the school.  Personally, as I've seen little new information in the last few posts, my inclination is to lock this thread. 

I'll let it go a bit more as long as ya'll are doing your bit too...but if I see another round like this last one...its locked.

Topper

[herrkutz]

Topper your point is noted sir.

However the clones here at Pan Asia are seeking to have this thread locked and their "agent provocateur" (sodslaw) is indeed doing well in his attempts to stifle free speech by instilling doubt into your mind,thus playing into the hands of Pan Asia Islamic School and the pursuit of the truth. .

I quote from  Descartes Discourse de la Me'thode. 

"It is not enough to have a good mind it is to use it well "

"If you would be a real seeker after truth,you must at least once in your life doubt as far as possible,all things". 

 

[mohammednoman]

You people make me angry you take our money from our school and you always are moaning.We pay you to do as we want not what you are thinling you want.If you are not liking us please go away

[fed_up]

You people make me angry you take our money from our school and you always are moaning.We pay you to do as we want not what you are thinling you want.If you are not liking us please go away

Is that really you Mr. Director/computer technician of Pan-Asia Islamic School ? If it is really you then our prayers for a good-old online debate with yourself have finally been answered by God the Almighty Himself !!

First, I'd like to congratulate you on finally gathering enough courage to come here and show your face. We were aware (of course) that for many months you and your underlings have been reading and discussing this forum between yourselves. Better late than never I'd like to say...

Well, where do we start ? Let's start with your post above. You are very sadly mistaken Mr. Director/computer technician. People are NOT slaves. This rancid mentality that you seem to have developed (besides your unnecessarily inflated ego) is a very dangerous one indeed. YOU DO NOT OWN PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU GIVE THEM MONEY !! I don't know where you got your management degree from (Oh, I forgot ! You don't have one !!), but all I know is that you have absolutely no idea about managing people !! I recall that people even started taking shortcuts last year in order to avoid passing your office as you always kept calling hapless passers-by in and harassing them for one thing or another. Your post is a great example to all those who might have been thinking of applying at your school -however remotely.

There are more Mr. Director/computer technician. We have just started. I'd like to keep this online interaction of ours to a Q&A format if possible. Don't worry, I'll only ask you questions about one topic per week. So if you don't mind, you have some catching up to do as I already started last week.

This week's question for you Mr. Director/computer technician:

"Have there ever been people working at Pan-Asia School as teachers who did not possess a valid tertiary (that is University level for you Mr. Director/computer technician) degree ? Have you ever employed anyone at your school as a teacher knowing quite well that he/she did not possess a valid University degree (which by the way is an MOE requirement) ? Furthermore, do you still have (or not have) such people employed at Pan-Asia School ? Also, could you please tell us your rationale behind choosing such people to University educated people since you seemed to have gotten rid of many of the latter last year ?"

Awaiting your response Mr. Director/computer technician...

P.S. It is NOT your money that you are giving to people Mr. Director/computer technician. Let's get that straight, O.K. ? You used to get around 55K last year and maybe around 70K this year. But, it is NOT your money isn't it ? It is NOT even the school's hard-earned cash, isn't it ? Come on, let's tell the truth to everyone here. It is the oil money from various dubious sources from different Arabic countries (such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.), isn't it ? So, could you please make us understand by what you meant when you wrote "our money from our school" ? Is there an "us" and "them" discrimination going on in your school Mr. Director/computer technician ? Please let us know about these points as well...

[sabai_sabai]

I would not like to see this thread locked but I myself do not have any new information about the school... I hope it stays open so that teachers that do have information can continue to post.

herrkutz,

Thanks for your willingness to continue to post about the school but I want to point something else out.  IMHO, continuing to call the school, "Islamic" is inflammatory in an unnecessary way.  It could seem as though you are using the religious affiliation of the school as a slur.  You may just be pointing out the hypocrisy in their ways but I think that it could be taken as a bias on your part.


poster "mohammednoman", 

I doubt that this post is being made genuinely.  The person who's name you are using is not someone that I am defending, however, I doubt that this is really NM. If someone else has opened an account to pretend to be him, it does not add credibility to the weight of the real complaints that have been made about the school.  There are enough real reasons to dislike the ways that the school does things that should be stated honestly and without the personal attacks.

sodslaw,

Thaksin Shinawatra ran Thailand for five years also, does this mean he did a good job?  W has been in office for six years and that's hardly an endorsement of a stellar performance.  Has PAIS been open for four years or five?  I also was unaware that ex-teachers at a school should not post opinions about the schools that they worked for.(There would be no message board if that were the case.)  If the school has done a turnaround and are doing well now, I'd be happy to hear it as it would be a good thing for students and staff there.  Please use facts if that's what you are trying to say.

[fed_up]

Is it me? have I missed something?
After reading through this thread a few times it does seem that there is only one poster who actually claims to work at the school! And quite why he remains, when he finds it so appalling is frankly beyond me! Well nearly so! does mr haircut (were you a barber before thailand) just biding his time to jump into the vacant position left behind by those he is so busy undermining?

Its fairly plain to see that quite a few teachers have gripes about this school, they do afterall continually repeat the same gripes, Its also fairly obvious that there are some at the school who post on the thread in a pro school manner but claim to be unattached to the school. Again its fairly obvios that there are some who are using barely concealed racial arguments against the school simply because it recieves funding from middle eastern states, would those people be pro bush americans? Who believe the rhetoric we hear back home that the only good raghead is a dead raghead, I remember as a child it used to be reds and then charlies now its ragheads, who will be next? anyway what has arab money got to do with the quality of the education unless the implication is that the funding is being used for other purposes,, if that is the case then surely those patriotic americans should actually be reporting the same to the homeland sec guys instead of bleating here.
Can we please stick with facts about the school and not supposition and inuendo. Please, please and pretty please!

Dear newcomer,

Please read my postscript very carefully and then post if possible. The Arab oil money that this school survives on was not brought to attention for racial or religious discrimination brownie points. It was mentioned when someone (might be MN himself actually but come to think of it he doesn't have the proverbial nuts) mentioned "our money". If the post is genuine then that could only mean that there is reverse-discrimination at this school against western people.

And, I am sure it would be nice to be classified as a "tree-hugging hippy" (god knows I'd have loved to be one), but can we please stay on topic ? Going off on a tangent about who actually brought down the twin towers is not going to help anyone. Our point is the school has many dubious practices and we'd just like to bring them out into the open for all to see. If you don't like what you are reading here then please don't invest time in reading it. That simple.

[fed_up]

...herrkutz,

Thanks for your willingness to continue to post about the school but I want to point something else out.  IMHO, continuing to call the school, "Islamic" is inflammatory in an unnecessary way.  It could seem as though you are using the religious affiliation of the school as a slur.  You may just be pointing out the hypocrisy in their ways but I think that it could be taken as a bias on your part.

I'd stop calling this school Pan-Asia Islamic School when they dropped the fake "International" in its name. Once again, this comment is not made to smear the school and show them all as terrorists or else, but rather to point out that it is an Islamic school so that other teachers know what they are getting themselves into. In fact, the official name of this school on paper is "Pan-Asia Islamic Welfare Society".

[fed_up]

Dear oldtimer,
Please read my previous post very, very carefully, then skim through the entire thread looking for references to Arab oil money and then post if possible. I will ask one rhetorical question here; Did I, in my previous post, refer to you or your post? NO! If you had ‘carefully’ read my post you would have seen that my first statement referred to the whole thread!
I did follow your request and read your postscript, and here what I found was that you were attempting to answer a poster named ‘Mohammednoman’ whilst overlaying that reply with your supposition that he may or may not have been someone else, you should note that a shaky unproven supposition such as this does tend to take away any credence that you post may or may not have had! But let us look at the facts (i.e. the words in the various recent posts) surrounding your postscript; Mohammednoman (and here I will indicate that I have made a supposition that the name is some indication to this posters religious standing) is clearly making his post as a supporter of the school, he uses phrases like “our money” “our school” and “We pay you to do as we want not what you are thinling [sic] you want” you of course then overlaid these words with your supposition that Mohammednoman was indeed someone else, all be it a representative of the school. At this point I would like to pose you another rhetorical question; if someone gave you money, is it then your money pr their money? You see from my perspective if the school is receiving funds from the middle east, America or the UN, it then becomes the school money to deal with as they see fit, and it seems that they have seen fit to use some of this money for the employment of teachers. Now one of the maxim that has held true of employment ever since the first neo caveman gave a bag of salt to another to do some work is that. The employer pays the employee to carry out a job of work as stipulated by the employer. The employee has two options here, carry out the work to the satisfaction of the employer or walk away from the job. To my knowledge it has never been the case that the employee takes payment from the employer but then stipulates what, if any, work the employee will do in return. If you do believe in such utopian ideals then so be it, but if you were ever in my employ and tried such BS I can assure you that you would find your ass quite definitely kicked out the door within a few nanoseconds of your making such a ludicrous claim!
"tree-hugging hippy" oh thank you for that! It is indeed a typical piece of pseudo name calling used by neo-cons when referring to anyone not of their persuasion. Again though, I would point out that at no time did I mention the twin towers, though I freely admit that I did refer to posts on this thread where school detractors have implied that school funds have been used for nefarious means. I can understand your paranoia, your belief that everything is directed towards you, but do try and believe me when I say that my previous post was not directed against you, though this one clearly is!

Whilst I am posting I may as well have my two cents worth on your last post on this thread. The school freely admits that it leans towards Islam in its teaching, but that is by the by. If you are going to emulate Don Quixote and tilt at the windows of Thai schools erroneously using the term ‘international’ in their name, then I fear that you will be tilting more times than a well played pinball machine.

A-ha !! The barely concealed face of "PAN-ASIA "ISLAMIC" SCHOOL" management team shows from under the mask once again !! They are indeed answering us, with the same self-pompous, "holier-than-thou" attitude, personal insults  and a whole bunch of crap rhetoric in order to sway this thread from its purpose and get it locked.

I am not going to fall for their trap and stoop down to the level of answering this troll, but mods please beware that this is the new game of PAIS and don't lock this thread.

[Topper]

Nope, no locking the thread yet, BUT...................

I'm going to ask the admin to look into the ip addy of mohammednoman.  Should it be that of another user, there WILL be sanctions on the user.

I don't THINK thats Mr. Noman.  I surely pray that its not a user stirring the pot.  I WILL have the admin look into it. 

Keep it the discussion on this level and everything is fine!

But my opinion is the same as pogue-mahone and the poster known as mohammednoman. If you work for the school, you're ass is theirs while you're at school.  If you don't like it, talk with your management.  If changes aren't made, find another job.  I'm pretty sure thats how it works the world over.  If contractual promises aren't kept, take legal recourse. Its really simple.

Why are the teachers currently there, still there? 

Topper

[Topper]

Then again.....gentlemen.......

Until such time as there is new information regarding working conditions at this school, this thread is locked. 

Additionlly, there are indications that one or more posters are not playing by the rules.

Please feel free to PM me or any other mod if there is any new information and we will be happy to reopen the thread.  This is a promise to you, the people involved to keep this discussion going.  It's also a promise to all the people reading these threads to get a clear idea of teaching conditions at the school.  Thats what TeflWatch is about. 

Thanks,

Topper