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How useful are TEFL courses?

Very Useful
5 (33.3%)
Somewhat Useful
5 (33.3%)
Maybe useful for some
3 (20%)
Not at all useful
2 (13.3%)
Not sure
0 (0%)

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Uncle Che

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How useful are TEFL Courses?
« on: February 27, 2006, 10:42:44 am »
Just how useful are TEFL courses? Is it possible to train yourself? Would new teacher be better off trying to buy a few teaching books and training themselves or are TEFL courses worth the money?

Please no posting about specific course providers on this thread!

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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2006, 02:32:57 pm »
In general I think TEFL/TESOL courses with observed teaching practice are invaluable for a new teacher. New teachers need to get in a classroom and get their feet wet so to speak, and then be given feedback and advice on how to improve. However, I am not sure of the value of courses without teaching practice for new teachers.

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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2006, 05:58:04 pm »
How long is a piece of string? This is one of those questions really. If you use as a baseline that most of teh available courses are designed for teaching adults or young adults and the vast majority of jobs on offer are for teaching kids, then the courses do have a major element missing. I taught for 18 months before i did any tefl trainging some at a matayom school some at a ragnarok oops sorry Rajabhat. My next position was teaching EP through a company thats mentioned on a couple of threads here, they insisted on a TEFL and went so far as to reccomend a particular course to do. It was an online course with no observed teaching, was it worth doing? quite frankly no, the whole thing was designed using the MOE's "no fail" policy. Many if not all of my 1st year Rajabhat student could have passed the course with little trouble. Right now I am in my second year of my MA ed (linguistics) where the first year was TESOL based, did I learn anything there, yes buckets full, but applicable to teaching in Thailand, well not really in a direct way, there was a lot that could be fudged and applied here but it would need a lot of prep to get it to work.

Can a newbie learn on the coalface, if he is lucky and gets a good coalface then yes he can, doing a TEFL course will help if its a good un, Does the teacher need a degree to teach english? from teh perspective that the govt is pushing more and more towards that aim then yes, but a degree does not make a teacher just as a tefl course does not make a teacher. Some have what it takes, some dont (I like to think I have it but I leave it to my students to decide) But the is Thailand, if you are warm, white and sober at least 50% of teh time you can get a job teaching somewhere!

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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2006, 07:35:08 am »
I am going to live in BKK next month to study on a CELTA. Hopefully it will help  my spelling and grammar but also teach me some new tecnhiques.

Ultimately I want to head off the the big money countries rather than staying here in THailand and making a pittance.

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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2006, 11:22:26 am »
I thought when I signed up for my TEFL course here in Thaialnd that the main reason for doing it was the piece of paper at the end of it.  I wrongly believed that I would find it difficult to get work without the TEFL certificate.

It's ironic that I have never actually provided any employer with my TEFL certificate, nobody has ever asked to see it!

Lucky for me then that I found my TEFL course to be one of the most useful things I have ever done.  It wasn't perfect - nothing could have prepared me for my first day out teaching M5 in a government boys school - but I learnt so many simple techniques that are the difference between enjoying the job and hating it.

I know teachers who haven't ever done TEFL courses, I have worked with them in the past and seen them struggling in classes of silent students trying to follow the textbook as though that's what teaching English is about!  From the TEFL course I learnt that the textbook is only one of many tools that we take into the classroom - for this itself it was worth the money.  I make all my classes fun for me - doesn't always work for the students, but hey ho ;D

Another factor for me was confidence.  As a complete career change, while I knew I could do the job, I had no idea if I would be any good at it.  After learning what was involved, and then being observed and observing others I felt I had a great start and had the confidence to get in there and do it with kids or adults, beginner to advanced.

I have a friend in the UK with no teaching experience who is considering coming here to teach and he asked if he'd get a job.  I said "Of course", everyone gets a job :D  I strongly advised him to a TEFL course of some description though to help get the most out of the job, forget just doing it for the cash or to fund an existence in Thailand - if you're gonna do a job every day then you want to be able to do it properly, it's no fun otherwise!

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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2006, 11:40:48 am »
I am going to live in BKK next month to study on a CELTA. Hopefully it will help? my spelling and grammar but also teach me some new tecnhiques.

Ultimately I want to head off the the big money countries rather than staying here in THailand and making a pittance.

Mate they don't teach grammar/spelling you're expected to know it going in.

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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2006, 12:19:49 pm »
So what the fudge is the point in the course then

4 weeks of lesson plannings and playing games

Dammit I should have save all that wedge and bought myself a new bike and a fake certificate.

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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2006, 11:00:44 am »
I think they look more at the theory etc. of teaching (academic side).

Don't think they do that many games either as it's geared towards adults.

I did check with Unners and he said no grammar was taught on his???

Have a good time though mate and pop over if you're in the area!


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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2006, 05:40:53 pm »
nope they are teaching me grammar

It's still not helping me much though

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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2006, 09:28:11 am »
LoL, have a good time mate and remember a dangling participle is not a medical condition and a dipthong is not what Germans go swimming in ;)


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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2006, 01:20:54 pm »
From my viewpoint, on balance, TEFL courses are useful but there are a number of drawbacks to the courses as well. I have never personally done any of the courses (But did do a one weeker at AUA before starting my first teaching job) and rarely teach English these days, so I am more or less an "objective" observer" and have no interest in defending my own decision to take a course or not to. One of the problems in these courses are inherent in all short training programs which can be seen in business, the military, and just about all types of occupations, short courses focus on practices instead of the principles behind the practices. This sometimes results in individuals using the practices in the wrong times in respond to the wrong situations. Because they lack the theoretical underpinnings, they may not understand the contextual aspects of what makes the practices work. Another problem is these courses have a tendency to instill a "there is only one way to teach" mentality. This is especially problematic with head teachers and the like, who may believe the way they were taught in their CELTA or other courses in the "right way" and any teacher doing something different is "wrong." I am not even close to an expert, but I am familiar enough with research done on education and epistemology to realize there is no clear agreement in academia about the "best" way to teach or learn.  The CELTA (or others) way may be an effective way to teach English, but no one should think it is the best or the only way to teach. So I think the attitude of the student makes a world of difference. If a student expects to pick up a few tricks of the trade, get a chance to do a bit of practice teaching, and gain a foundation to continue to learn on, the course will do some good. On the other hand, if the student expects to become an expert teacher who now knows how to teach and believes all people without the CELTA or similar course shouldn't be allowed to clean toilets in a school, it will do more harm than good.

Then there is the economics of these courses. The CELTA at ECC runs $1,400, and with lost wages for the month, one can expect to forgo 80,000 to 90, 000 Baht. How long will it take to pay off the course? If one is just doing a one year teaching lark before beginning one's real life, will the cert give you an extra 7 to 8 thousand extra baht a month to pay for it? If one plans on making English teaching a "career" than obviously one needs one of the certificates, but it seems like a lot of money to pay to get "qualified" for a very low paying job.

Finally, we must give a lot of credit to the TEFL training industry in selling the notion that a four week cert is needed to teach English. When I first came to Thailand around 8 years ago, the TEFL training industry was just in its infancy. The vast majority of teachers had no training at all and only a very few people made a living from providing TEFL training in the country. Today, many (Majority?) of ESL teachers have some form of cert, and a number of people have created a whole new industry and are making their living from TEFL training. There are no four week courses for teaching economics, physics, math, natural sciences, biology, political science, Japanese, Latin, ancient Greek, European history, or the hundreds and hundreds of other subjects taught around the world every day to billions of people, why only English? Actually, the selling of the TEFL training industry might make a good research topic for an academic marketing paper. Also the emotions these courses provoke in there defenders and detractors is puzzling. 

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Re: How useful are TEFL Courses?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2006, 03:45:25 am »
Finally, we must give a lot of credit to the TEFL training industry in selling the notion that a four week cert is needed to teach English.

Many 'English' teachers do not have bachelors degrees in English, much less education.  I do know college instructors in the US that got started with just a masters degree in their subject areas, but many TEFLers are teaching kids.  Here in the US you don't get anywhere near a child without a year or so of education courses...licensure is rather involved and the PGCE in Britain is similar.

The TEFL programs are intended to provide someone without an English or education degree with 'a clue'.  If you have a relevant degree then you have my blessing to make up a certificate on a photo copier.  It'd be silly to make a licensed teacher take a TEFL course.

I'm personally thinking about going to SIT or a local college that allows you to apply your TEFL toward a masters degree.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2006, 03:50:48 am by mlomker »

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The value of "TEFL" Certificates
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2006, 11:11:56 am »
I had inquired where the other ongoing discussion was and did not recieve an answer.

Therefore, I'll be mean and start a new discussion with the hopes of not being labled so many odd names including "Troll".

In Thailand, the "TEFL" certificates carry no weight unless you don't have a formal education. In the instance of no education, some Thai schools think the certificate is some sort of diploma from a real school. I've read numerous times that Japan, Korea, and China don't even consider said certificates when making decisions. I have no personal experience with those countries.

NOTICE and consider the following good advice:

Anytime an outfit advertises in a false and misleading way, don't trust them! Combine that with the deception of advertisments in the "Help Wanted" section of newspapers when in fact selling a product you should be able to reach your own conclusions.

The various TEFL certificates and courses sold over the internet or around Thailand may help people at the end of the day, but survival as a teacher in THAILAND comes down to discipline in the classroom, motivation in the classroom, and acceptance of Thai culture and discrimination.

I hope this discussion is not deleted. Please refer me to the ongoing one and I will gladly read it and move this over.

Thanks and cheers. Susan
« Last Edit: July 02, 2006, 11:44:53 am by SusanRichardson »

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Re: The value of "TEFL" Certificates
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2006, 11:48:54 am »
Did you not do this topic to death over on the other forum, and you made just as little sense over there as well.

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Re: The value of "TEFL" Certificates
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2006, 12:03:40 pm »
Did you not do this topic to death over on the other forum, and you made just as little sense over there as well.

Hi. What do you think of companies/outfits etc. which advertise in the help wanted section of newspapers wanting instead to sell something to the perhaps desparate or unemployed and/or unknowing? Good business people or used car salesmen? Cheers. Susan

 

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