Topic: TLS Language School

[lils]

Has anyone heard of TLS Language School. Or XXXX XXXXX.
Please post any positive or negative comments... 

[crocodile]

Owned and run by English guy XXXX and his Thai wife XXXX. He seems a kosher guy.
Never heard of XXXX XXXXX, who has nothing to do with TLS.
Least that's my understanding.

[lils]

Crocodile thanks..The emails I've received have come from an email account named XXXX. But the man writing to me is named XXXXX XXXXX. A little strange...No XXXXX mentioned. Do you know anyone who works for them? you mentioned XXXXX seems like a kosher guy??

[lils]

From their website...

http://tlslanguageschool.com/front/

Thai Culture Course

TLS Language School would like to introduce you to our Thai Language and Culture course. A 30 hour course teaching basic Thai language, customs do's and dont's.

Enrollment in this course provides an Educational Visa (EV) which would allow the student to live and work in Thailand legally for one year.

There are three courses basic, intermediate and advanced.

Thai Language and culture

0ur first course will begin the week beginging the 23rd of April, After signing up to this course TLS can apply for a Educational Visa (there must be 6 weeks left on your old visa ) this can be changed to a Educational Visa giving you peace of mind and no border runs, as a student you are entitled to live and work (part-time) in Thailand, we have several teaching positions available who whould be willing to pay the hourly rate that makes up the salary. You are entitled to have 36 months of the Educational Visa's. At the moment we are the first government approved school that can offer these visa's and this course will also become a must do course for all farang teachers applying for a teaching permit in the future, we expect this course to be in high demand and suggest that intrested parties contact us as soon as possible.


Is this true that you can work with a Education Visa?

[lils]

Also from the website....

   

can you live and work in thailand without a degree?

yes join our Thai culture course and you can get a Educational Visa and can work part time on a hourly rate.

How long is the course ?

120 hours 3 hours a week for 40 weeks more to suit the class.

How much does it cost?

There are 2 types of course the full course and the short version , the full course costs 40,000 baht and the short version costs 25,000 baht.

Do i have to do visa runs?

No once you have you Educational Visa no more border runs.

[Andy]

Sounds like a shady operation to me, my friends. It's illegal to work on an educational visa so the school is encouraging teachers to break the law.

[hero]

What a load of rubbish.  You can't work with an education visa any more than you need to go to school tolearn about "Thai culture".  They say you can work "part-time", they may be right about that I suppose.

They also say you can get educational visas for 3 years - I'm pretty sure that would depend upon you being enrolled on some course of study for 3 years and not merely signing up for a 3 hours-per-week "Thai culture" course.

Is it a coincidence that the the course lasts for 40 weeks, which is about the length of an agency contract at most places here.  A cyninc might suggest that perhapos this school are signing folks up for a "Thai culture" course with a "visa assistance" program to ensure for themselves a steady inflow of new teachers from abroad.  Their first move when you arrive might be to offer you a job while you are "studying".  Not a bad ploy, except they are offering visas that would not allow you to get a WP and they are charging what seems like a lot for "Thai culture" classes!  Obviously you wouldn't be able to work for anybody else as then you'd lose your "eductaion visa" - effectively you would be at the mercy of this company as long as you wished to remain on the visa that they helped you get.

If they want teachers, why not just advertise for teachers and offer WPs instead of education visas?

Of course I am reading a loy between the lines here and being very cynical, but it pays to ask these kind of questions when you are confronted with (essentially) bullshit advertising.

I may be wrong - the "Thai culture" course may be a wholly rewarding experience and not at all a crafty ploy to employ teachers illegally.

 

It would be nice if TLS came here to explain ......

[Mods-Rockers]

Why is it Hero? that I am absolutely certain that you have hit the nail on the head here!

[sham]

Hello my name is Chris and with my wife Tewi we run a government approved school called Tls Language School in Bangkapi, my wife is in her final year of a Phd Doctors Degree in educational leadership, we have recently been awarded the licence from the education department to teach Thai Language and Culture, Apart from the universities we are the first school in Thailand to be awarded this licence, If you sign up to our course you are entitled to a Educational Visa which will allow you you work part time(20 hours per week) like any student around the world you are allowed to work part time to help you study in your choosen field. The visa after the 1st border run is transfered to a educational visa at the education department, with documents that have already been issued to us by the education department, once transfered to a (EV) you don't have to do the dreaded visa runs costing money and time, your readers are not aware of the facts and we were  infact approached by the education department to set this course up, I feel once again this is rumours at its worst and to mention one of my employees by name is absolutly out of order, you dare not do this in our own country for fear of a lawsuit why do this here.
So Andy I suggest you learn the true facts before you try to destroy someones business.

[lils]

Can you post the details of the course? Costs? Schedule?

[Andy]

Countries around the world? Very few countries around the world let you work for 20 hours a week on an educational visa alone, especially for a cultural courses. I thought all foreign workers needed a work permit in Thailand. These teachers do not need a work permit with ed visa? I said post proof not post innuendo. It seems shady to me, sorry.

[hero]

Can you post the details of the course? Costs? Schedule?

I'd be very interested to hear this too.  By the way, do you also run English courses or employ English teachers?

[hero]

One further question - why the heckity flip do I need to register with your website to find out about the TEFL course?

 

[samvimes]

Nice use of moodle to set up a website.........

"At the moment we are the first government approved school that can offer these visa's and this course will also become a must do course for all farang teachers applying for a teaching permit in the future, we expect this course to be in high demand and suggest that intrested parties contact us as soon as possible."

I don't think the government or MOE would give the rights to run this kind of course (if it is official) to someone who has no proven track record.

I suggest that before you complain you produce the proof to backup your claims that your course is approved by the government and is a "must do course for all farang teachers applying for a teaching permit in the future" which seems like good marketing but also at the same time complete bollocks....

Also we have hotmail email addresses = not professional

The whole site is badly written and does not look professional at all "Teaching Thailand (sic) Culture to the West!" and looks like someone is just trying to take advantage of visa insecurities to make a fast buck....

[sham]

we are a school we are very busy teaching english, we also teach english to the police, the army and some hotels , we teach Chinese, Japanese, German, French, we supply Translators for exhibitions here in Bangkok.

The Thai Language and Culture at 40,000 baht for 120 hours this makes it 333 baht per hour where is this expensive,compared to making the visa runs, on the front page of our web page that is infact myself presenting the deputy director of educational standards for the whole of Thailand ,with a certificate for completing one of our english courses.

we also provide teachers to over 30 schools, that will not employ teachers direct

[lils]

How long does the 120 hour course last? 1 year?

If so, that's 40,000 for a 1 year visa. 

[sham]

I Also notice that all the negative feedback is coming from the administration of your own web page. our own web page is far from finished, so who gives a hoot , why do you have to register? stupid question when you have to register here as well, like this site registration is free. regarding ("no track record" my wife has run a school for 7 years) Also my wife is a member of the ministry of Labour a government department issuing work permits

[Mods-Rockers]

Sham I believe that the previous posters asked you to back up your claims with some proof, not make new claims.

Proof such as a link to the immigration rules that state you can work legally in thailand on a non imm ed visa!

Proof such as a link to the MOE rules that state it will be a requirement to have studied a thai culture course and also a link to show that you are the only licenced provider of such a course.

This is a forum where its possible to make many claims, but without proof they remain claims and little more!

[hero]

Yes.  Here you have to register here to post - that makes sense.  You can read all you like without registering.

On your site I have to register to read what is basically your advertising I presume, in any case I only wanted to have a gander at the TEFL course you are running.  I generally object to giving any details (particularly e-mail address) to a website merely to allow me to read its content.  Makes no sense to me and has me worried I will soon be receiving spam!  Surely you would want your page to accessible to everyone easily.

It wasn't meant to be a harsh criticism, just a question.  Certainly wasn't trying to engage you in a "our website is better than yours" game - that would be very childish.  We are here to discuss issues that affect teachers, not start silly arguments!

I didn't give any negative feedback, I was just idly speculating in the face of the content that is accessible on the website.  It may have sounded negative, but I'm a self-confessed cynic!  You aren't exactly giving us anything concrete and positive to go on.  You don't have to answer any questions here, school admins with no skeletons in the closet usually do and more often than not get some good free publicity.

Maybe, I'll try a more positive approach.  This Thai culture course sounds really interesting and if it provides me a visa then that's great.  Would you be in a position to offer work to somebody on the side if they partake in your course or will they have to find their own work?  Is it really feasible that 100 hours of Thai culture training runs happily alongside a 30-month visa?  While this 30-month visa also allows one to work 20 hours per week, would I be OK if I was to work 20-contact hours in a government school, for example, or would that count as full-time work?

These are all fair questions, to be honest, and while I can accept that you may have misgivings about being tarnished on this site if you have something to hide, if the whole thing really is as good as it sounds then you have absolutely nothing to worry about!

Hero

[Andy]

I've asked for some proof to be posted, it sure would make my work easier, but wtf, I'll do it myself and write up a front piece on the main page so that when people search for TLS, they'll see my write-up, it's all good, amigo.

Peace Out!

[Stan the Man]

You guys are linked with Kwanjai's FTT Lang. School @ Patnarkarn Rd, right?

[Andy]

http://www.thaigov.go.th/en/non-resident/view.aspx?newsid=R50000000445&M_CODE=48

At the bottom it says:

*** For those foreigners who wish to work in Thailand, their employer in Thailand should submit Form WP3 (Application for applying a work permit on behalf of alien according to Section 3) at the Ministry of Labour and Social Welfare.

From this page: http://www.international.nu.ac.th/data/Work%20Permit.doc

Remember that you cannot have a work permit with an ED type visa.

Another page: http://www.thaiembdc.org/consular/con_info/restpmit/work_pm.html

   

The following persons are exempted from requiring work permit to perform duties in Thailand.

         1. Members of diplomatic corps
         2. Members of consular missions
         3. Representatives of member countries and officials of the United Nations Organization and its specialized agencies
         4. Personal servants coming from abroad to work exclusively for persons listed under item 1,2, or 3
         5. Persons who perform duties on missions in the kingdom under an agreement between the Government of Thailand and a foreign government or an international organization
         6. A person who enters the kingdom for the performance of any duty or mission for the benefit of education, culture, arts, sports or such other activities as may be prescribed by a Royal  Decree
         7. A person who is permitted by the Government of Thailand to enter and perform any duty or mission in the kingdom

Couldn't find nothing about no 20 hour per week exemption on an ed visa that means you ain't gotta get a work permit.

You posted this:

If you sign up to our course you are entitled to a Educational Visa which will allow you you work part time(20 hours per week) like any student around the world you are allowed to work part time to help you study in your choosen field.

The truth: If you have a US student visa, you are not allowed to work off campus during your first year. Australia? Can not work if you aren't studying for anything beyond a BA. In the UK, yes you can IF you get the right stamp put in your passport when you get the visa.

I posted what I found, sham, maybe it's time you posted what you got. I'm pro teacher all the way, man and if you got a way to beat the system then kudos to you dude, but fess up with yer proof.

Peace Out!

[Thai Me Up]

sham first posted on the "Changing from tourist to non-immi B" topic, seemingly to offer visa advice and a positive recommendation to TLS (i.e., "you cant contact them at ****** [link deleted].  Well, the them is in fact a him, so sham is using teflwatch.org to shamelessly tout his own language school.   

I cannot imagine a poorer introduction to the TEFL community than this wolf-in-lamb's clothing type of posting on a web site devoted to teacher advocacy and outing poor employers.

To be frank, I don't believe Chris is a native speaker (Dutch is my guess), and further, he really should advertise his new "venture" on a more appropriate venue.

[samvimes]

I also don't think he is a native speaker, but that's besides the point...

The fact is this; the burden of proof is on him to verify and substantiate his claims which in my opinion could be just a way of milking people who don't know better into parting with their hard earned money. All this just to reap unverified benefits, as this is Thailand and the only certainty is uncertainty I would want hard evidence to back up all these claims for educational visas that allow you to stay and work in the country.

What is needed as a bare minimum in order to be taken seriously:

Proof from the MOE that TLS have the rights to run this kind of course and that it will be accepted.

Proof that this course is necessary when applying for a teaching permit in the future.


For me, alarm bells are ringing at this kind of service, by all means provide proof of your claims, but without that proof I would advise any newbie not to touch any service like this with a 10 foot barge pole.

[anyonefortennis]

Sham, did you do a typo when you entered your username.......hitting 'h' instead of 'c'?

I was pretty open minded, then I went onto your website and saw your "certified online TEFL course", who excatly certifies your course..................TLS per chance?

If I was serious about learning about Thai culture and didn't want to work, would you, hand on heart, reccommend your course? Or is it purely there to exploit a loophole you (think/may of) found to get work for those without the right creds for a non-imm B visa?

Do you offer life time degrees and retirement visas as well?

[sham]

To all the teachers reading this blog i would like to point out that teflwatch is a sponsored site that charges for advertising, it is in there own intrests to keep this blog going to generate advertising revenue.
I have tried to ignore the comments of the teflwatch which i believe to be 1 individual who,s name is Andy F------ WHO IS A PHILLIPINO A NON NATIVE SPEAKER who may have had a bad experience in Thailand.
I am English and to prove this i invite anyone to visit our web page where all our contact details are posted, and i invite anyone to phone to have a conversation with me.
HOW LONG HAS A 40 HOUR TEFL COURSE BEEN ACCREDITED? OR RECOGNISED WHEN AT LEAST 25 HOURS ARE BASED ON (TEACHING PRACTICE and OBSERVATION IN A PROPER TEACHING ENVIROMENT)

[lils]

Sham, You still have not answered the questions about Thai Culture course or about the legalities of working with an education visa. And the information is not on your site.

Instead of ignoring. Please read all the posts in this thread and answer our questions!

I also noticed, now you're using periods, capital letters, and proper grammar. Same person posting or switch?

[Andy]

Sham:

We are a sponsored site? By who? We charge for advertising? Yo, my man, the ads you see are network ads, anyone, including you, can go and pay Google to put an ad on this site and I won't stop you and I won't change a word that's posted. I have never cut a deal to allow any ads on the side, dude. Many days, total revenue on this forum is nada. No, dude, I ain't in it for money.

Me a Flip? Cool beans, Sherlock. You ain't still posted any frickin proof to what you are offering. I posted info and links that contradict ya. Coolio, I got your vibe, man. All of us postin' here are one person. I got it. How're those black helis from Area 51 treatin' ya?

And dude, just to show ya that I ain't against ya, if you come give some solid proof to back ya up and you got the magic snake oil that allows people to work without a degree or any hassles on an ED visa, I'll help publicize it cuz it's a good thing for teachers. But dude, so far all's ya got is a claim that you can give them a magical course to solve their woes for a price. Sorry, I just want proof because everything I can find says it just ain't possible.

Enlighten us, educate us, my man.

Peace out!

[sham]

Andy you(and your other names you go by, eg. hero,samvimes,etc) you have asked for proof but if you were a native speaker like me, you would be able to read English and REALISE YOU PROVIDED THE PROOF YOURSELF!! YOU POSTED THE THAI VISA LAWS YESTERDAY LOOK AT NO.6
Quote
The following persons are exempted from requiring work permit to perform duties in Thailand.

         1. Members of diplomatic corps
         2. Members of consular missions
         3. Representatives of member countries and officials of the United Nations Organization and its specialized agencies
         4. Personal servants coming from abroad to work exclusively for persons listed under item 1,2, or 3
         5. Persons who perform duties on missions in the kingdom under an agreement between the Government of Thailand and a foreign government or an international organization
         6. A person who enters the kingdom for the performance of any duty or mission for the benefit of education, culture, arts, sports or such other activities as may be prescribed by a Royal  Decree
         7. A person who is permitted by the Government of Thailand to enter and perform any duty or mission in the kingdom

I know your not good at english so i have included the dictionary meaning of exempted.....

EXEMPT-To free from an obligation, a duty or a liability to which others are subject.

THIS MEANS THAT THE TEACHERS ON A ED-VISA DONT NEED A WORK PERMIT!!

NOW YOU HAVE YOUR PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not going replying to this childish and negative individual and give him free advertising IF YOU NOTICE TEACHERS EVERY COUPLE OF POSTS,, THERE AN ADVERT OF A TEFL COURSE THAT IS NOT RECOGNISED. Now you have your proof, dont you have anything better to do than sit infront of a pc all day talking to yourself and spreading lies and negativity, SO CONTINUE YOUR EMBARRESSING ATTEMPT TO BE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN RAPPER WITH YOUR RIDICULOUS "YO" AND "PEACE OUT" AND THAT CRINGINGLY PATHETIC LITTLE RAP AT THE BOTTOM OF EACH OF YOUR POSTS!!!

ALL INTELLIGENT TEACHERS WILL BELIEVE A NATIVE SPEAKER WHO IS A PROVEN AND VERY RESPECTED PERSON WITH A GREAT REPUTATION BEFORE A FAILED NON-NATIVE TEACHER WHO IS FULL OF NEGATIVITY,WHO FAILED AT BEING A TEACHER AND WHO HAD TO RETURN TO THE PHILLIPINES!!!!  

[lils]

How much is the course?

How many hours a week/month/year?

[samvimes]

This is total hogwash

"6. A person who enters the kingdom for the performance of any duty or mission for the benefit of education, culture, arts, sports or such other activities as may be prescribed by a Royal  Decree "

If this was true then no teacher ever would need a work permit, unless you can show us the decree that exempts your teachers from not needing work permits.

"HOW LONG HAS A 40 HOUR TEFL COURSE BEEN ACCREDITED? OR RECOGNISED WHEN AT LEAST 25 HOURS ARE BASED ON (TEACHING PRACTICE and OBSERVATION IN A PROPER TEACHING ENVIROMENT)"

You mean like a CELTA?

[Andy]

         6. A person who enters the kingdom for the performance of any duty or mission for the benefit of education, culture, arts, sports or such other activities as may be prescribed by a Royal  Decree

How does taking a class benefit education? That doesn't apply to students. It's so that cultural troupes or exchanges can take place without a work permit, not so some student can work 20 hours on a ED visa. Again, offer up proof. So us some official or reference to law or regulations that say that you can work 20 hours a week on an ED visa. Come on dude. It ain't so difficult if it's true, man. I'm begining to think that you ain't got any proof cuz if you did, you'd post it and make me eat my words.

I'm freaking laughing my rear off right now. Ain't had this much entertainment on the forum in a long time, thanks, man. You say I'm a flip. Great dude, you're Mr Sherlock Holmes, himself, ain't ya? Me, I'm 100% home grown Americano. Yo, come down my way to the big Mex some time and we can crunch some tacos together. Maildrops are awesome in this day and age, it keeps people thinking they know somethin' when they ain't got a clue.

TEFLWatch is pro-teacher, Sham and it seems like you're bein very insulting sayin' that anyone who disagrees with ya to be a fake poster. Yeah, right, dude. Insultin' the people you want to take your course is good business? Oops, you ain't tryin' to convince us, you're trying to get us to cover it up so others won't know the truth? Is that it? Sorry, dude, ain't gonna happen.

It seems like a front page splash about your program is needed. But what do you care anyways? Every post on this thread is from me anyways, ain't that what your sayin?

Peace Out!

[Mods-Rockers]

Andy you(and your other names you go by, eg. hero,samvimes,etc)

Well anyone who assumes that these three are one and the same proves little besides his/her own lack of any education above highschool level, the difference in voice is astounding, if you really cannot spot the difference sham then I must query all your claims!

LOOK AT NO.6…
         6. A person who enters the kingdom for the performance of any duty or mission for the benefit of education, culture, arts, sports or such other activities as may be prescribed by a Royal  Decree…

I know your not good at english so i have included the dictionary meaning of exempted.....

EXEMPT-To free from an obligation, a duty or a liability to which others are subject.

Well sham (you really are a sham by the sounds of it) I would humbly suggest that you borrow a good dictionary from someone and check the wording above, if you still have difficulty then go to the immigration department and they will explain it to you! the key words are ‘enters’ and the phrase ‘benefit of education’

THIS MEANS THAT THE TEACHERS ON A ED-VISA DONT NEED A WORK PERMIT!!

Duh!!!! No it doesn’t!!!!!

I am not going replying to this childish and negative individual

What an excellent way of proving your native speaker status that to produce such a grammatically correct piece of unglund!!!!

and give him free advertising IF YOU NOTICE TEACHERS EVERY COUPLE OF POSTS,, THERE AN ADVERT OF A TEFL COURSE THAT IS NOT RECOGNISED. Now you have your proof,

yes, you are correct, all teachers reading this and every other thread on this forum will realize that google ads will accept anything, any intelligent reader will also notice that Sham is bending every which way but lose in order not to answer any pertinent questions directed at him!

dont you have anything better to do than sit infront of a pc all day talking to yourself and spreading lies and negativity, SO CONTINUE YOUR EMBARRESSING ATTEMPT TO BE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN RAPPER WITH YOUR RIDICULOUS "YO" AND "PEACE OUT" AND THAT CRINGINGLY PATHETIC LITTLE RAP AT THE BOTTOM OF EACH OF YOUR POSTS!!!

Well yes, many do actually have better things to do! The problem is we are all waiting for you to front up with some actual proof that what you claim is kosher, until then most will continue to say keep away from this scheme as WITHOUT PROOF IT LOOKS LIKE A SCAM BY SHAM!!!!!

ALL INTELLIGENT TEACHERS WILL BELIEVE A NATIVE SPEAKER WHO IS A PROVEN AND VERY RESPECTED PERSON WITH A GREAT REPUTATION BEFORE A FAILED NON-NATIVE TEACHER WHO IS FULL OF NEGATIVITY,WHO FAILED AT BEING A TEACHER AND WHO HAD TO RETURN TO THE PHILLIPINES!!!! 

Hey I’m sorry but I cannot find any reference to your new claim of “PROVEN AND VERY RESPECTED PERSON WITH A GREAT REPUTATION” sorry I have been teaching here a number of years and guess what?  I ain’t heard diddly about you, of course if you wish to add to your lists of things you have to prove then by all means prove you are what you claim to be! Else everyone is liable to believe that you are nothing but a mouth with no substance!!!!!!!!!!

[Thai Me Up]

I can't figure this out.  Why try to beard the lion in his own den?  sham, there is no way you are going to convince this teacher-advocate audience that the loophole you have "discovered" would attract any of the posters on this forum to work for you.  Do you continue to post here under the belief that even bad publicity is publicity, nonetheless?  Do you believe that the posters you have now insulted personally will EVER sing your praises?  I recommend you find a proper venue for advertising and promoting this alleged loophole service to teachers who will not ask you so many questions.  Just a friendly way of invitin' you outta dodge...or do you need this translated into Dutch?   

[anyonefortennis]

"6. A person who enters the kingdom for the performance of any duty or mission for the benefit of education, culture, arts, sports or such other activities as may be prescribed by a Royal  Decree "

Sham, my understanding is this applies to visiting professors and the like, who are in Thailand to conduct joint research, lecture in subjects in which they are considered experts, act in a consultancy role etc, these are people who are employed by non-Thai education establishments and consultancy firms and are considered experts in their home country It does not apply to students.

Perhaps you could set up a charity, volunteer visas and the resulting work permit require much less paper work and little qualifications. You could then say that all your teachers are volunteers who get 30k month to cover housing and food 
 

[P. O NEILL]

1. Andy no matter how hard you try YOU'LL NEVER BE BLACK!!! Ha HA Ha. Andy If your American why did your CV last year read Philipino and just because some Jew went to the phillipines a couple of decades ago and knocked up some hooker doesnt mean you share your daddys nationality. your not American and whats "americano" is that a mix between american and philipino, youve got an identity problem lol.

2.You said he insulted teachers, didnt he just insult you.Andy if your on the teachers side, dont you think this is a great way for teachers with no degree to stay here legally. Its
a bit odd your constantly trying to find a way to moan about this, there must be a reason.....

3.Andy's site is sponsored by TEFLAsia who are paying him to moan about TLS, because TEFLAsia want the licence to do the course,  but couldnt get it so far because of there bad record.
The licence is a big money earner(at least 25% of farang teachers in the country have no degrees or fake degrees). So they(TEFLAsia) will continue having there lap dog posting treads to keep teachers away from TLS for enough time, so TEFLAsia can make a profit when in a few months WOW big announcement from TEFLAsia that there doing the exact same course.(but TEFLAsia will never get the rights cause they havent paid 30 teachers in 3 months!!! read no.5, also TEFLAsia sponsor this site which  I think maybe the Educational officials dont like very much)

4.Andy if you say your "pro-teachers" then why are you advertising this bogus 40hour online tefl (wouldnt you be laughed out of an interview if you produced that) but if you had 1 year course on Thai culture wouldnt it be much more respected, the Thais are always talking about there culture so if they see you want to learn about their culture and respect their culture it will work in your favour and plus if your learning the language they would see your making an effort and they would know that your not some backpacker hanging around for a few months.

5.Andy if you say your "pro-teachers" why are you advertising
TEFLAsia who have treated farang teachers the worst?, didnt they
pack up and leave without paying any of the teachers?. Why arent
you
allowing anybody talk about this, you've continued to block
teachers talking about this. I thought you are "pro teachers"
 

[lils]

"don't you think this is a great way for teachers with no degree to stay here legally"


But not work here legally.

[P. O NEILL]

Hi lils why dont you just ring the company for details, anyway have'nt the details been posted several times now. Im a teacher too and I think you must have been ripped off in the past too, now if you learn to be a good judge of character that wont happen again. I have been to the TLS office and I've seen pictures on the wall of the owners with officals, including a picture of the owner Tewi Gleeson recieving an award from the Princess of Thailand, but you believe some scaremongering loser(even look at his dopey picture) who sounds like Vanilla Ice and who is sitting by his pc ALL DAY and ALL NIGHT moaning about
everything, cause he has never had a girlfriend.
 "yo" andy get a life"sherlock" or in your case SHYLOCK. Andy continues to lie and continues to bait the company, with rubbish lies like "hes dutch" well then lils phone him and you'll hear his accent and you'll know he is 100% English. I could talk forever about how the school is credible but Chris Gleeson has already wrote loads on his posts to prove this,
What important people do you know in the ed department and imm department Andy? and What have you ever achieved in life? what are your achievements?,
believe what you want lils,listen to scaremongering forever,
 but let me ask you, Why is the school not credible in your eyes?,
the school is named after the owner and it costs alot of money to set up a school and so why would they do a runner now? are you suffering from severe paranoia,
Do you think everyones out to get you?.
The Boggie man is going to get you!!! lol
 
Cant you read and see the difference between a well educated person writing and
a immature moron who has a corny cheesy rap at the bottom of post and who is a vanilla ice fan and talks like him.

[lils]

P. O NEILL,

I's up to you if you want  to pay 40,000 for a Thai Culture course and will allow you to stay here legally for 1 year.

Seems like a lot of money too me. There is no work permit provided for teaching legally provided.

From my understanding, and from what I've read EVERYWHERE, a work permit is necessary to teach legally in Thailand.

TLS is claiming that NO work permit is needed. Teachers can work on an Ed visa.

If a teacher wants to work here without a work permit there are cheaper ways than paying TLS 40,000.

I don't doubt that the owner of TLS has received awards.

You asked why the school is not credible? Read the previous posts. Nobody said the school would close shop and run away. Those are your words.

Everyone is concerned with working LEGALLY.

Are you enrolled in the course? Are you teaching for TLS?

I'd love to know all the details.

[P. O NEILL]

Offcourse work here legally, isnt that what we have been talking about for the whole time. dont you even read the replies, did'nt your parents send you to college cause if they did wouldnt there be a few students of another nationality there?, none of them worked for four years? Anyway when you do your next border run ASK the Thai embassy embassy in laos about this, they will tell you YES YES YES

Also you say 40000 for a 1YEAR ED-VISA is too much(you can also do a 1 year for 25000), you must not have been in thailand long.....

Bus or train to border (one person)......................................8 00 THB
Laos
Visa................................... ....................................... ......1,900
THB
Entry fee + tuk-tuk to Vientiene
....................................... ....................................... ........80 THB
Hotel for that night
....................................... ....................................... ........250 THB
Apply next day for 2 month visa
(you can extend another month
at bangkok so its really 3
months)....................................... .................................1,900 THB

Another night in Hotel/Guest house while waiting for
Visa................................... ....................................... ......250 THB

Your not gonna stay in your room all day and night
your gonna to go out + offcourse tips,tuk tuks,drinks and food
(im keeping everthing to a minimum so
LETS BE CHEAP LIKE ANDY'S DAD'S KIND is famous for)...so
just................................... ....................................... .....3000 THB

Then a little tuk-tuk back to border and
(CHEAP LIKE ANDY'S MOMMA WAS THAT NITE LONG AGO).......1 Laos KIP  HA HA HA
Finally the train or bus back to
bangkok................................ ....................................... .....800 THB
Taxi home after arriving in
bangkok................................ ....................................... ......60  THB
loss of earnings while in
laos................................... ....................................... ......3000 THB

BUT THATS NOT ALL YOU MUST EXTEND THE VISA
AGAIN AFTER TWO MONTHS
AT IMMIGRATION DEPARTMENT............................. ......... ...1,900 THB
taxi (traffics bad around
there)....................................... ....................................... .100 THB

TOTAL(for just one
person)....................................... .................................14,045 THB
(Minimum)

REALISE THIS IS EVERY THREE MONTHS, and for just one person(most
take there girlfriend)
also the on the ED Visa you dont need to buy a work permit (more
money saved)

To be fair i only included the bare minimum cause I know they'll do anything to moan(wow Andy you and your other persona can use spell check, I have to type very fast cause I dont have the time,SOME PEOPLE HAVE A LIFE) , you would spend more ofcourse and some change there baht to laos kip, and you'll get ripped off for sure if you do that and you cannot change the money back in thailand, they dont want laos kip its useless.its just a helpfull tip lils they'll accept baht there in laos, so use the baht easier much easier trust me laos people dont even like there money and cringe when they get kip.

you could also go every month to laos or cambodia that would be a little cheaper for each time but you must go 12 times a year, a tiny bit cheaper overall. which will have more loss of earnings and your boss might be pissed off with you having to go every month, Keep in mind all the hassle to travel there everytime it will will get to you after a while, PLUS YOU WILL STILL BE WORKING ILLEGALLY, you wont be paid very well at work
and its hard to find work now if your illegal.

So what do you think lils does the ED-VISA look like too much
now, Are going to believe an honest person or do you still believe a SHYLOCK
im on holidays and it took me a long time to write all this, I
hope it helps you. Not everyone in the world is out to get you lils.

[Mods-Rockers]

Well if the level of unglund shown by Mr o'neill is indicative of that used by instructors or graduates of TLS then my advice to all would be STAY AWAY.

What a pathetic rant that was! and obviously by sham, scamming another username!

Hi lils why dont [don’t] you just ring the company for details, anyway have'nt [haven’t] the details been posted several times now. Im [I’m] a teacher too and I think you must have been ripped off in the past too, now if you learn to be a good judge of character that wont happen again. I have been to the TLS office and I've seen pictures on the wall of the owners with officals [officials], including a picture of the owner Tewi Gleeson recieving [receiving] an award from the Princess of Thailand,[as does every graduate from the top five universities] but you believe some scaremongering loser(even look at his dopey picture) who sounds like Vanilla Ice and who is sitting by his pc ALL DAY and ALL NIGHT moaning about
everything, cause he has never had a girlfriend.
 "yo" andy get a life"sherlock" or in your case SHYLOCK. Andy continues to lie and continues to bait the company, with rubbish lies like "hes dutch" well then lils phone him and you'll hear his accent and you'll know he is 100% English. I could talk forever about how the school is credible but Chris Gleeson has already wrote loads on his posts to prove this,
What important people do you know in the ed department and imm department Andy? and What have you ever achieved in life? what are your achievements?,
believe what you want lils,listen to scaremongering forever,
 but let me ask you, Why is the school not credible in your eyes?,
the school is named after the owner and it costs alot of money to set up a school and so why would they do a runner now? are you suffering from severe paranoia,
Do you think everyones [everyone’s]out to get you?.
The Boggie [Bogey] man is going to get you!!! lol
 
Cant you read and see the difference between a well educated person writing and
a [an] immature moron who has a corny cheesy rap at the bottom of post and who is a vanilla ice fan and talks like him.

“Cant you read and see the difference between a well educated person writing and a immature moron” And this is Mr. O’Neill showing us exactly how an immature moron writes, because sure as eggs is eggs, it certainly is not how an educated person writes!!!!  Corrections inserted in [] brackets

[P. O NEILL]

LIKE I said wow Andy you and your other persona can use spell check, I have to type very fast cause I dont have the time,SOME PEOPLE HAVE A LIFE. your always on this site day and night GET A LIFE and this is not Sham, Im the guy whos full name you illegally posted, lawsuit.

[P. O NEILL]

lils if you look at the top it says me and you are the only people logged in, that means the rest of the people are you know who, look at all the forums its the same group of personas all the time, only a few teachers ever post and all the negativity comes from the some group of personas(the same person).Is that the only comeback you got now A.F. your so desperate to keep the thing going, the more viewed adverts the more money.  i've made a errors like forgeting ' or " or whatever else, SO WHAT!!!, its so hard to concentrate all the time when your so annoyed, lol

[Mods-Rockers]

LIKE I said wow Andy you and your other persona can use spell check, I have to type very fast cause I don’t [don’t] have the time,SOME [time, SOME] PEOPLE HAVE A LIFE. your always on this site day and night GET A LIFE and this is not Sham, Im [I’m]the guy whos [whose] full name you illegally posted, lawsuit.

Well actually the use or not of a spell check is irrelevant, what does matter is that regardless of how much time something takes a good teacher would not allow such obvious mistakes to creep in!

Sadly, your deductive powers are also somewhat lacking, in that;
A)   You seem to be under the impression that every poster on this forum is Andy.
B)   Now it seems that either lils or crocodile or both are also Andy and he posted your name and then edited the posts to remove your name. I also fail to see where any possible lawsuit could arise as there is nothing defamatory in any of the three posts where names were mentioned. Still talking big seems to be your way of making yourself appear big!  

You really are making an ass of yourself on this thread and doing a lot more harm to TLS than the combined efforts of every other poster, so indeed carry on, the possible punters you are scaring away will benefit from your hissy fits!

[Thai Me Up]

P.O. Neill:

I'd like to meet your anti-semitic self.  Anytime.  Anywhere.  To talk.

[P. O NEILL]

wow you changed that pretty fast, two more of the names you use log-in straight after I said that, your friend and former Potisarn Co-or, told me all about how you are all these names, how do you think I know your full name?, your family background?, your living in phillipines? and your not very smart cause sometimes you get mixed up and use the same distinctive  dopey sayings and mottos with different personas!!!!
  

[Mods-Rockers]

lils if you look at the top it says me and you are the only people logged in, that means the rest of the people are you know who, look at all the forums its the same group of personas all the time, only a few teachers ever post and all the negativity comes from the some group of personas(the same person).Is that the only comeback you got now A.F. your so desperate to keep the thing going, the more viewed adverts the more money.  i've made a errors like forgeting ' or " or whatever else, SO WHAT!!!, its so hard to concentrate all the time when your so annoyed, lol

“top it says me and you are” Surely the correct English usage should be “you and I” which is actually one less letter and thus cannot be blamed on lack of time!

“that means the rest of the people are you know who,” and what leap of deductive reasoning did you use to make that up?

“its so hard to concentrate all the time when your so annoyed” When I was a student I used to say something similar except the last word was different, normally pissed or stoned, never annoyed!

[P. O NEILL]

Stop deleting my posts!!!!!!!

That advert below my last post proves my point about TEFLAsia in my first post today but I know it will be changed soon, its hard to talk to you when you keep deleted most of the things I have wrote, I am not pissed(thats going way to far) infact I am very happy because every teacher reading this can now realise whos an idiot, keep using spell check that your only comeback, your looking very petty and foolish. Anyway most people dont even go on TEFLwatch anymore cause of the corny rap wannabe, TEFLwatch last year was good, why did it have to be changed.

I have to go now, I have a lovely wife whos been waiting here so long. I am on holiday and im not spending it talking to a loser, Im going to get drunk, Cheers!!!!!
 

[bluefalang]

hey, PON/sham. folks here are sensitive to educational scams especially when the visa information regarding legally working on a education visa is clearly false. you sound like yet another guy with a thai wife looking to make some money the old fashion way...by jiving newbies and fools.

[Mods-Rockers]

Stop deleting my posts!!!!!!!

What posts exactly have been deleted? Maybe you are just a little confused by the “Ads by Google” popping up then disappearing!

That advert below my last post proves my point about TEFLAsia in my first post today but I know it will be changed soon, its hard to talk to you when you keep deleted most of the things I have wrote [I have written OR I wrote], I am not pissed(thats going way to far) infact I am very happy because every teacher reading this can now realise whos an idiot, keep using spell check that your only comeback, your looking very petty and foolish.

Of course the ad vis-� -vis TEFLAsia will be changed soon! As is every ad shown by the “Ads by Google” service, That’s how google ads work dummy!
Strangely I have followed you attempts at posting logical posts all day and cannot recall anything being removed, perchance a figment of your imagination!
“I am not pissed(thats going way to far) infact I am very happy” Actually that was not the kind of pissed I was implying!
“keep using spell check that your only comeback, your looking very petty and foolish.” Actually I was hoping that you might have taken onboard the fact that you were making far too many mistakes to justifiably called yourself aan English teacher, and might therefore have started using a spell checker yourself to prevent your making a complete and utter ass of yourself. Sadly it seems that you are incapable of prevent this self mutilation you seem hell bent on doing.


[/quote]
Anyway most people dont even go on TEFLwatch anymore cause of the corny rap wannabe, TEFLwatch last year was good, why did it have to be changed. [/quote]
Then why, oh why are you so busy making a fool of yourself trying to put a good face on TLS when no one is reading it? After all according to your model anyone who disagrees with you is Andy in disguise!

I have to go now, I have a lovely wife whos been waiting here so long. I am on holiday and im not spending it talking to a loser, Im going to get drunk, Cheers!!!!!
 

Oh! you have a lovely wife that you respect so much you are going to get drunk! Will she then have to carry your sorry ass home? Will she have to clean up your vomit? Will she have to wash your skivvies when you shit yourself? Is she used to all that? Man I feel sorry for her, she took a chance when she married you and she fucked up big time!!!!!!

[Mods-Rockers]

hey, PON/sham. folks here are sensitive to educational scams especially when the visa information regarding legally working on a education visa is clearly false. you sound like yet another guy with a thai wife looking to make some money the old fashion way...by jiving newbies and fools.

Of course he is Bluefarlang! He is just a low grade confidence trickster who left school at 16 with a GCSE in wouldwerk [sic] and a monkey on his shoulder!

[Andy]

LIKE I said wow Andy you and your other persona can use spell check, I have to type very fast cause I dont have the time,SOME PEOPLE HAVE A LIFE. your always on this site day and night GET A LIFE and this is not Sham, Im the guy whos full name you illegally posted, lawsuit.

Oh my god! I didn't know that posting a name on the internet was illegal! What about all the news stories that mention names? George W. Bush, oh my god, now George is gonna sue me for mentioning his name! Homer Simpson! Oh my god, Homer is gonna sue. Come on, sue. We're hosted in the US so get the ball rollin', dude. I can get some court costs out of you and my momma won't have to work the streets for a few nights!

Sham, Po Oneill, same IP's. i had ya pegged dude. Just so you know, the ads on here are Google Ads, every time ya reload the page, ya get different ads. I don't even know who puts ads up on the this site cuz I use an ad blocker, amigo. You should too.

No posts have been removed. The last post deleted from TEFLWatch was April 13th and it was a spammy ad. Two were deleted on April 12th and then you have to go back to March 16th to see another deletion. See, we don't delete posts much around here.

And yo, shamu, I don't use spellcheck around here. I think that you got me confused with someone else. Just cuz I inducted Potisarn into the Hall of Shame don't mean that I know anything about the frickin' school.

I'd love to know where ya got all the wrong info, dude. Get the real info and get back to me, dude.

You don't know a lot dude, but what I do know dude is that I puttin' up a warning about your operation on the main page. It'll get indexed by Mr Google damn fast and everyone searching for your school name will read it. It might even be numero uno for the term and if that ain't enough, everyone on the TEFLWatch mailing list will get a link to the warning. I asked ya, dude, to put up info, but ya didn't. I guess ya ain't got any proof and folks need to be warned.

Cut me, my family, my supposed racial background, cut down anything ya want to, man, but don't cut down other teachers. Don't try to swindle other teachers or I'll raise my voice and be heard, dude. Sunday morning Mexico time, it's goin out. That gives ya just amount 30 hours to give me some kind of proof.

[hero]

Oh dear.  I had such high hopes for this particular discussion when I set off on my holiday on Thursday.  It seems that I have been accused of being Andy the Filipino failed teacher.

And I thought I asked such polite questions to sham.

Dear, dear P.O'Neill - you really are making your company look a little questionable to say the least.

I wonder if you are trying to get this thread into one of the private "slanging match" forums on the site and away from curious members of the public ..... I for one hope that this thread remains open and in the public rooms!

How about a deal - you provide me with contact details for somebody with whom I can verify your claims that your 40-hour Thai Culture Course will allow me to "teach 20 hours per week legally without a WP".  I don't mean contact details for your own PR people, I mean somebody at the Ministry of Labour who can talk to me A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER OF YOUR business which has "been asked to" set up this new scheme to set my mind at ease, I have always a very law-abiding traveller to date.

I will show the nice man at immigration the snippet which says anybody who is involved in education doesn't need a WP - I'm sure it will give him as much of a laugh as it is giving us!

Hero 

Oh - interested parties reading this might wish to know that my own experience of the TEFL world in Thailand would lead me to advise anybody who is thinking about trusting anything offered by this company to do their research carefully, just as every careful customer should.

[Thai Me Up]

pandora's box is opened

[Andy]

I deleted the last three posts. Racism of any kind just ain't cool. We all know it. Anyone readin' the posts know what kind of dude Sham is. Read the posts and see if Sham is the kind of cultural expert you wannna learn Thai culture from. Attacking another person solely because of their perceived nationality, perceived ethnic background or perceived religious background just ain't cool. No need to attack Sham, he's attacked himself enough with his posts.

[Thai Me Up]

O'Neill/sham:

"...just because some Jew went to the phillipines a couple of decades ago and knocked up some hooker doesnt mean you share your daddys nationality..."

"LETS BE CHEAP LIKE ANDY'S DAD'S KIND is famous for"

"yo" andy get a life"sherlock" or in your case SHYLOCK"

Okay Andy, to be fair, why not edit the anti-semitic commentary (above) from O'Neill?   

[samvimes]

O Neil/Sham made some very inappropriate comments in regards to race/ethnicity which will not be tolerated on this forum ever.

We don't care where a teacher comes from, we are all teachers and we all stand together on this website.

TLS I am now convinced is a complete scam and we will be doing our duty to all teachers in passing information about this "school" to other TEFL websites and sending information out to all our readers to warn them.

THai Me Up, I understand your sentiments, the negative racist comments from Sham have been removed and will be removed again if they ever reappear.

TLS is making itself look so bad, there is nothing we can add to make themn look worse so let's just let them continue to shoot themselves in the foot.

[mabel]

hi! about the 'ED' visa....its possible that you can find work but this is 'ILLEGAL'. i once worked in a vocational school (international programme) as a registrar cum secretary that enrolled foreign students and then i found out few of the students are using the education visa to find work here in thailand....well, what they are doing is ILLEGAL and the MOE, MOL, Immigration even the school i once worked with for sure have nothing to do with this. if ever, i think some schools will not hire for sure employees with education visa because they might be in trouble and penalty??? do you think the school's willing to pay the heavy fine. btw, those students are not working as teachers but as baby sitters, office clerks etc.  have a nice day!

[Andy]

I can't edit it because it's directed against me and I can't privately ask for it to be removed. It's up to another mod to do it when it concerns a mod. I may own the board, but we got rules and I follow them. I didn't make a point to get it removed because it shows just the kind of person running the school in question.

[Aaron Duke]

Never heard of TLS but if I am looking for a new job they are going to be top of my list. Looks to me like TEFLasia are trying to cut down an honest company before they grow, I want to prove something about this false comment made calling P O Neill "anti semitic" you delete his constructive critcism but you allow that racist slurs on buddists and muslims.

Anti-semitic is just a made up word jews use to hide behind, when they receive constructive criticism. When Americans or English complain about Israel killing loads of innocent Palestinian WOMEN and CHILDREN or wiping out whole villages or bombing schools in lebanon, the jews straight away just hide behind "stop being anti semitic". There's a reason why the jews have been hated for the last 4000years,ALL THOSE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, GENERATION AFTER GENERATION FOR 4000years CANT ALL BE WRONG!!!!!!!!!
everyone hates your type except the ones who are constantly brain washed into feeling sorry for you over the holocaust, but you just turned around and did the same to palestine, stole there land, their country and killed more people than the nazis ever did. The palestinian holocaust.

So that comment about "anti semitic" is rubbish, its completely normal for a human to dislike a rat in their house, your the worlds rodents, rat-faced jews your responsible for all the misery in the world, for example America would never have been attacked and lost so many lives in 9/11 if Jewish politicians had not abused there power and used tax payers money to fund Israelis genocide on innocent people. Jewish Americans(who don't care about the U.S. and are only loyal to israel and America is just where they make money)  Jewish Americans politicians using real Americans hard earned cash to give weapons to Israel which made all these sadistic extremists see America as an enemy then. Now we have good Americans dying everyday in Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran will be next cause a lot of politicians in the white house are off course jews and the rest were funded by jewish owned corporations when they ran for office, so they must pay them back. Israel is not part of the U.S.A. so why fight there war for them!!!
 SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, NO WAR FOR ISRAEL!!!!!!!!
Jews are responsible for most of the problems in the world, all through history, they murdered that guy named what was his name Jesus, they invented the Atom bomb and chemical weapons, they ate through the U.S. economy like termites, look how low our dollar is(look at all the big noses on wall street).

You are miserable people and enjoy misery and negativity,THAILAND IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE WITH WOMEN WITH BEAUTIFUL SMILES, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS HAPPY AND POSITIVE..... NOW YOU PEOPLE COME HERE AND BRING YOUR MISERY HERE, MOANING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERYTHING, CRITICIZING THAIS AND HOW THEY DO THINGS HERE, ITS THERE COUNTRY LET THEM RUN IT HOW THEY LIKE, YOU PEOPLE ONLY ENJOY CREATING PROBLEMS AND SPREADING MISERY to prove all this......what did the admin say about all this argument on one of his posts " I have not had this much fun in a long time" that's your idea of fun, pathetic and point proved.

[hero]

Wow!

[P. O NEILL]

First off Aaron your crazy. The only time talked about race is to explain that Andys the fraud pretending to be what is is not. The "Shylock" comment is meant to describe andy only cares about money(he does'nt care about teachers only his TEFLAsia money). How is that racist?,he is exploiting new teachers genuine concerns for his own gain!!!

All the facts about the ED-Visa are true, you can work legally, go to tlslanguageschool.com and phone them, the numbers signing up doubles everyday now its in triple figures I guess Sham owes teflwatch a BIG thank you. why should I care if someone does not believe the facts, there going to have nothing when most others are on the ED-Visas. its their life, why should I care. You lose out. This will be my last post as its getting dull and boring now, your just repeating the same stuff over and over, why have you still not asked Imm-Dep or Ed-Dep. I am not Sham, I am the person who's name is blocked out on the first post, if your not so scared of a lawsuit, why did you block it out so fast.
I am not employed by Sham, I answered his phone for 4 days while he was on holiday because I speak English. Now I don't know why I even replied to this lame site, maybe its because I was so annoyed with my name being put on the post without my consent or maybe its because some shylock is trying to destroy good kind people and their living so he can get some more money. Your exploiting new teachers genuine concerns!!!! for your own gain.

Now that I have seen the numbers on this site and how many people read TEFL watch I feel like what a waste of time, nearly nobody goes on this and the few that do are nearly all your own personas. I don't believe even 100 teachers would go to work all day come home and go on some bogus scaremonger site. People have lives and a job to do, lesson plans to write, when they finish work they have a girlfriend/wife and friends.
 Its the same old names each time, day and night(even when we are not on holidays, aren't they professionals, aren't they meant to be writing lesson plans) Its the same names all day long on every topic, if it was different people don't they have a job, Its just the same personas on every thread ,I know when you read this then.....
WOW out of nowhere 50 new names created by Andy. people are not that stupid.

You should make it more realistic Andy, why would one person try so hard to slag me of and get personal, when I only insulted you. I know 100% for your friend that their all you but if you were different people wouldn't that be more pathetic, they just talk day and night about boring rubbish,their only friends are on this site don't they have any friends in the real world.   

NOW YOUR TRYING TO PRETEND YOUR A LATINO, TALKING ABOUT TACOS AND MEXICO HA HA. HAS ANYBODY EVER HEARD OF A LATINO WITH A SURNAME CALLED FREEMAN ?, LOL.
That's not a hispanic name and if you were smart you would know Gleeson is a surname from the british isles, soon you'll be saying Wilson, Nicholson, etc. are dutch too. You tried to be African-american, Philipino-american, latin-american, you've got a serious identity problem, (maybe its from working as 20 different personas everyday)

I couldn't be bothered posting anymore, your just annoying and you continue to block some of my posts from even being shown
Im not posting anymore, cause your not important and so small and insignificant
Your like a fly, I feel ridiculous chasing you round trying to squash you. I pity you Andy, I feel bad about embarrassing you so much and destroying you. I feel Like what a waste of time and im not posting anymore cause Its like a adult going to a playground and beating up a few kids,
your an immature failed kindergarten teacher who couldn't teach a few kids a couple of nursery rhymes and now your back in the Philippines living in your momma's basement on a pc while she turns tricks up stairs.
I couldn't be bothered writing anymore, I've said everything I had to say, I've wasted time out of my holiday writing to some dork in his momma basement, I also wasted money in this internet cafe, JUST LIKE YOUR MOMMA'S CUSTOMERS I WANT MY 1 DOLLAR BACK!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[Sadly-confused]

Reading back over this thread, it seems that all anyone has been asking for is some sort of official confirmation that the claims made by TLS have some validity. TLS have been consistent in only one thing and that is NOT bringing such proof to back up what they claim.
Sham initially tried a smoke and mirrors approach to get out of providing any such proof, and then resorted to unfounded racial slurs and innuendo once his major claims had been rubbished.
The yesterday, along came P O’neill! And took up the baton dropped by sham! Andy has pointed out that both are posting from the same IP address, but this by itself does not prove they are the same person, after all, sham could be the office manager and poneill merely the maid. However after comparing the writing styles of both, similar errors in English usage are apparent in both, leaving me anyway with a deep suspicion that they are one and the same. Poneills rants yesterday were, whilst sharing similar racial slurs, of a far worse quality that shams i.e. more errors, although similar errors, leading me too presume that the severe apoplexy shown by poneill yesterday was the result either extreme frustration that the scam had been exposed or possibly it was the result of some mental state affecting substance abuse (possibly alcohol).
Personally I would not remove the racial slurs from the posts as they do give a good indication of the character of those in the employ of TLS and are thus a great counter advertisement for the school. From what I see on this thread and the schools website I doubt that anyone with a reasonable education and intelligence would part with hard earned cash for what is so obviously a scam!

[Andy]

I'd just like to point that O'Neill and Aaron Duke are one and the same. I know you all knew that, but that wanted everyone to be clear on that.

Can anyone tell me what is TEFLAsia? Ain't that Mr. Ajarn's company or is it just his partners business?

[hero]

I haven't got time to comment at the mo' ...... I have lesson plans to write

[wangsuda]

I finally went to TLS's website. Personally, I would NOT sign up for any of their courses. Why? Way too many spelling and grammar errors on their web page. It is pathetic that a business designed to serve the education industry cannot be bothered to proofread their site. This place looks shipshod from top to bottom.

And no, I am not Andy or any of the mods.

[Aaron Duke]

No your a Wanksmutha or whatever you call yourself your a new persona of andys, like that guy said in his final mail, did'nt the owner say the site is still being made or something and did'nt he say you broke into the site deleted stuff. Maybe you removed that from the thread also, you keep editing some of my sentences and did'nt allow me post 3 key things.teachers dont have any freedom to write what they want to write on this site!

I thought ONeill and sham are meant to be the same, now you say oneill and I are the same, your slipping up now!
If I were the same as oneill wouldnt that make me sham too? are you that dumb. I don't even know them and my email address is aarondukewhite@yahoo.com, I live in china so how do they have the same IP as me, show me your proof , your caught talking bullshit now. Its easy for everyone to see whos right and wrong now.

 Andy you said "I know you all knew that, but that wanted everyone to be clear on that".SPOT THE BASIC MISTAKE,

Why has nobody in bangkok walked into their office, apply for the course(dont pay yet) and then take the paperwork and the owner down to the department and check it out for once and for all, instead of tit for tat.
You have nothing to say this course is a scam, did'nt you provide the only proof to prove its actually REAL.
I would love somebody to do this and post me back so I know for sure, thinking about working in thailand for a long time.

P.S.Hero you don't need to write lesson plans to teach 4 year olds A B C D E F G .Do you really?.

[Aaron Duke]

I just noticed all the people that dork is, have 3 stars or have silly self given titles like gobal mod,
GLOBAL you gotta be kidding GLOBAL? LOL LOL LOL. self praise is meaningless

Andys-The 37 year old virgin- hand is tired from masturbating and is unable to type a reply,   

[hero]

Would you like some stars?

I'm sure we could provide you with a nice custom-title too if you like!

[hero]

BTW - I'm really not Andy.  Go ahead read all my posts!

[Andy]

Ok, let's just assume that I am the best damn forumer the world has ever seen and am able to create thousands of posts that argue and contradict themselves between dozens of usernames. Damn, I sure wish I could do that, but I wouldn't waste that talent on a TEFL board. So dude, imagine I can do it. Why would I pick on some podunk school that's tryin to sell a Thai culture class? Yeah, dude. The entire reason for this forum is to pick on your podunk school. You sure got ego issues, dude.

I didn't know they had internet in Laos. Thanks for letting me know they do.

In terms of your venomous attacks, look, I'm keeping them up, dude. If I take them down, you will claim that I'm deleting your posts. (That makes no sense, dude. Why wouldn't I delete those posts as well?) If I keep 'em up, people can see what kind of outfit TLS is. I trust teachers and trust that when they read the BS here, they can shift through it and make the right judgment call.

On one side, we've got teachers(or as you say, just me) asking for proof that you can legally work 20 hours on an ED visa. On the other side, we've got you saying trust me, dudes, trust me that you can, just give me the money and you can really get it, the other guy is just a crazy evil Filipino Jewish shyster out to hurt my school, just give me the money, believe me that I'm right, I can't give you proof, but just give me money.

Who would you believe? Personally, dude, I think ya need to do a makeover.

[crocodile]

The owner of TLS gives his name himself in a post and it's not deleted. He really is a native speaker but that is not relevant at all.

The vitriol posted under 3 other different names, supposedly supporting TLS, must have been written by the worst enemies of TLS. If they were indeed written directly by Mr. TLS himself, or at his behest, as seems likely by the very similar style of total venom against anyone asking questions, then it's about time he realized he made a very bad error of judgement.

With respect, Mr. TLS, this campaign is such a bad idea. Back off. Cool down. Give it at least 3 months and rethink your marketing strategy.

I know from some of the statements in your various posts that
1. You did not work as a teacher for C.C. at Pottisarn
2. You are close to someone who did know C.C. well, his personal situation, and where he is now
3. Because of the shitty implications about C.C., that teacher clearly betrayed any trust he was ever given
4. C.C. was worthy of respect and he had mine. He has gone now. Let him go!

For those readers who had nothing to do with Pottisarn or C.C., my apologies for these obstruse comments, but the little digs against C.C. by Mr. TLS rubbed me up the wrong way.

[wangsuda]

No your a Wanksmutha or whatever you call yourself your a new persona of andys,

Hey, see that Andy? You and I are the same! Hee hee hee

[hero]

Me too.  We're all the same person.  3 different new posters on this thread have spotted it.

[wangsuda]

did'nt the owner say the site is still being made or something and did'nt he say you broke into the site deleted stuff. Maybe you removed that from the thread also, you keep editing some of my sentences and did'nt allow me post 3 key things.teachers dont have any freedom to write what they want to write on this site!

Yes, someone did say that the site was under construction. That, sir, is no excuse for poor spelling. Professionals should proofread everything before it is published (and that includes print and internet). While more features can be added to a new site, the existing features are poor quality due to the numerous grammatical problems. Judging by your poor spelling and grammar, I would venture to say that you wrote the site.

As for deleting posts and sentences, I do not have the power to do that. I am just a poster. 

[Aaron Duke]

Your not using "yo" and "peace out" that much anymore, he really made you look like a fool did'nt he.

It seems to me every time a great post is put up by a teachers, the admin try to drown it out with several posts that are not really saying anything. This is because the reader usually goes to the last page and wont read the whole 5 pages so you fill up a page after any facts. I found Sham and Poneills the most informative posts, but it seems to me you never answer any of their questions or even mine for that matter. I made a list below of the unanswered questions, looks like your using smoke and mirrors and lies to get out of it each time .

"but the little digs against C.C. by Mr. TLS" thats lies and now your a proven liar, when did they insult this C.C.
you said"Because of the shitty implications about C.C., that teacher clearly betrayed any trust he was ever given" your the only person who took digs at him and why? is he the person who told P o neill all your details and blew your cover?
Your a proven liar after saying this

1. What important people do you know in Imm-Dep or Ed-Dep( if your an expert on this visa thing where did you get your facts from? name the person?)  
2. Why has nobody in bangkok walked into their office, apply for the course(dont pay yet) and then take the paperwork and the owner down to the department and check it out?.
NOTICE I SAID DON'T PAY THE MONEY BUT YOU SAID"  dudes, trust me that you can, just give me the money
"hurt my school, just give me the money, believe me that I'm right, I can't give you proof, but just give me money"
THREE MORE LIES. Can everone see the lies now.
3. What good have the jews ever made in the world? lol thats a joke and impossible to answer.
4. I thought your here to inform teachers and tell them the facts, but you said "Can anyone tell me what is TEFLAsia?", if you don't even know that, how could you say whats going on in Imm-Dep?,
but of course you know, now your telling lies again.(do think anybody will believe that comment and still listen to you?
5. I thought ONeill and sham are meant to be the same, now you say oneill and I are the same, your slipping up now!
If I were the same as oneill wouldnt that make me sham too? are you that dumb. I don't even know them and my email address is aarondukewhite@yahoo.com, I live in china so how do they have the same IP as me, show me your proof , your caught talking bullshit now

Once again it seems to me every time a great post is put up by a teachers, the admin try to drown it out with several posts that are not really saying anything. This is because the reader usually goes to the last page and wont read the whole 5 pages so you fill up a page after any facts!

P.S. Wanksyourmama he said it was Andy. Andy your slipping up again,you must be tired, you dont even know who your posting as anymore.

[Aaron Duke]

I'm not posting after that you deleted the best part and you edited it to give it spelling errors. what you going to do? spell checks forever, is that your only come back everytime?.There is no freedom for the teachers to say what they want to say on this site.

[Mods-Rockers]

Exactly what mind altering substances is aaron taking?

I'm not posting after that you deleted the best part and you edited it to give it spelling errors. what you going to do? spell checks forever, is that your only come back everytime?.There is no freedom for the teachers to say what they want to say on this site.

Aaron try to remember that when you are signed in a p o’neill you are supposed to make claims about removal of posts and deletions and suse of spell checkers, when you are signed in as aaron you are supposed to make anti Semitic  posts!
It really detracts from what little credibility you had when you cannot even remember who you are meant to be today.


BTW, just out of interest what username will you be setting up tomorrow in your sordid attempts to:
1.   Give some credibility to the TLS scheme without showing any viable proof?
2.   Attempts to shake off the requests for said viable proof?

just a quick addendum, there sees to plenty of room for teachers to say what they want, but little room for scam artists to do the same!

[Mods-Rockers]

 This is because the reader usually goes to the last page and wont read the whole 5 pages

So this is the reason you fill the pages with your rants? hoping that the punters are stupid enough to not look back over the pages and see that TLS has not been able to back any of its claims and should therefore be looked at as nothing more than a scam on the unwary

[Stan the Man]

All these three posters must be the same (sham, aaron and o’niel), cuz the odds of there ever being three paranoid schizos posting in the same thread are 1 million-1.
Go and book yourself into some kind of padded fookin cell. What an asshole!

TLS Language school, please can you can confirm that this person is not you.

[Thighlander]

This is a 100% rip-off.  Don't fall for it.  It's as ridiculous as buying a season lift ticket to a ski resort in Chiang Rai.
The only thing suprising to me is that TI is not involved.

[Andy]

I don't know what to say Shamu Duke Oneill, you got the whole site figured out. You've figured out everything. What else can I do?

I guess I can go through point by point on the statements you have made:

Your not using "yo" and "peace out" that much anymore, he really made you look like a fool did'nt he.

Yo, I don't freakin' care if you think I look stupid or not. At least I ain't trying to scam teachers.

It seems to me every time a great post is put up by a teachers, the admin try to drown it out with several posts that are not really saying anything. This is because the reader usually goes to the last page and wont read the whole 5 pages so you fill up a page after any facts. I found Sham and Poneills the most informative posts, but it seems to me you never answer any of their questions or even mine for that matter. I made a list below of the unanswered questions, looks like your using smoke and mirrors and lies to get out of it each time .

You and your "friends" have never answered any of mine or the other posters. So? I hope they go to the last page, because on the last page, the very last post will be me posting that the course should be avoided because it's in the Hall of Shame.

"but the little digs against C.C. by Mr. TLS" thats lies and now your a proven liar, when did they insult this C.C.
you said"Because of the shitty implications about C.C., that teacher clearly betrayed any trust he was ever given" your the only person who took digs at him and why? is he the person who told P o neill all your details and blew your cover?
Your a proven liar after saying this

Who are you talking to? Oops, you assume too much. You connected the photo that existed at one time on the main page and the one advertising a certain monthly column on Ajarn. What you don't realize is that Ajarn and TEFLWatch used the same stock photo, but hey, you wanna call me CC go ahead.

1. What important people do you know in Imm-Dep or Ed-Dep( if your an expert on this visa thing where did you get your facts from? name the person?)

I'm sorry, I don't know anybody. What I do know is that you don't know anybody who can give ya the law references that allow this.

2. Why has nobody in bangkok walked into their office, apply for the course(dont pay yet) and then take the paperwork and the owner down to the department and check it out?.
NOTICE I SAID DON'T PAY THE MONEY BUT YOU SAID"  dudes, trust me that you can, just give me the money
"hurt my school, just give me the money, believe me that I'm right, I can't give you proof, but just give me money"
THREE MORE LIES. Can everone see the lies now.

So dude, where's the three lies? You ain't posted proof. I posted info that says your full of it, but nothing from ya so dude? You can't give proof, just sayin' go down to the office and sign up and you will make me go down to some office and you'll prove it. I got a better idea, post the proof, show the proof on your website, but you can't do it. 

3. What good have the jews ever made in the world? lol thats a joke and impossible to answer.

I like Steven Spielberg movies, ok, his earlier stuff was better than his later stuff, but I like his movies. Fonzie? Everyone like the Fonz. He did a lot of good. Milton Friedman, gotta love his economics. He did a lot of good. Minix was invented by a Jew. Minix is the basis for Linux that powers most of the internet. Google was co-invented by a Jew. I think Google is good. Warner Brothers Cartoons, I loved them! 

4. I thought your here to inform teachers and tell them the facts, but you said "Can anyone tell me what is TEFLAsia?", if you don't even know that, how could you say whats going on in Imm-Dep?,
but of course you know, now your telling lies again.(do think anybody will believe that comment and still listen to you?

Sorry, I don't care too much about TEFLAsia. I'm not sure who they are, dude. So chill out.

5. I thought ONeill and sham are meant to be the same, now you say oneill and I are the same, your slipping up now!
If I were the same as oneill wouldt that make me sham too? are you that dumb. I don't even know them and my email address is aarondukewhite@yahoo.com, I live in china so how do they have the same IP as me, show me your proof , your caught talking bullshit now

This is my favorite part. I said that Sham and Oneill were the same. Then I said that Oneill and Aaron Duke were the same. Most people can make the connection that all three are the same. I know it's kind of basic logic. Even a dumb Filipino Jew shyster can follow that logic, why can't you in your superb Aryan intellect follow it? Come on, dude. About proof? I already told ya where you are, but I know you don't read too well so I won't say it again, dude.

Once again it seems to me every time a great post is put up by a teachers, the admin try to drown it out with several posts that are not really saying anything. This is because the reader usually goes to the last page and wont read the whole 5 pages so you fill up a page after any facts!

There ain't no facts posted by your side, dude. I urge anyone contemplating the course to look at all 6 pages of this thread. Go ahead, amigos.

P.S. Wanksyourmama he said it was Andy. Andy your slipping up again,you must be tired, you dont even know who your posting as anymore.

I know who I am, dude, do you know who you are, man?

Peace Out!

[crocodile]

Dear esteemed and venerable colleagues, brothers and sisters, please may we all pray for the soul of our venerable colleague and manager/ownwer of TLS who bt happenstance has lost it.

"That he is mad 'tis true. 'Tis pity! And pity 'tis, 'tis true. A foolish figure." With acknowledgements to Laertes, who said that about his kid's mate, but who might as well have foreseen the antics of Mr. TLS. Mr TLS, of course will have no idea that he is now having the piss taken out of him. He has proven to be an expert in doing that for himself.

wis gonna get me mate n Timbuctoo t rite this n send this hiself to TLS cause then thats prooof e rote it all. Isnt it. cause me computer is in Timbuctoo and senting it I must be different from Mr. TLS in Bangkok. Aint I?

You need a helping hand amigo. I know who I am, dude, do you know who you are, man? Review who your compadres are too.

CC, former EP Manager at Potisarn, is an American Jew, now resident in Mexico. A voice of reason among the insanity that developed there! Read the 2 Potisarnpittayakorn threads if you want to know more.

Peace brother TLS! Best fade away. And more power to TEFLWatch

[bomha]

Andy's quote of the month, some really humourous words:

Most people can make the connection that all three are the same. I know it's kind of basic logic. Even a dumb Filipino Jew shyster can follow that logic, why can't you in your superb Aryan intellect follow it?

Yo, man, like wow, you is da cool dude.

[Mods-Rockers]

For what its worth, I was in the immi in BKK today for the 90 day reporting. Whilst I was there I took some time out to take some kanom to my little tame immi official. I asked about the possibility of working under a ed visa. After consultations with other officers the basic reply was no you cannot work under an ed visa unless you also have a WP. When I showed them the TLS website and the claims there they admitted that yes you could work under the ed visa as claimed on the site but without the WP it would be illegal and you, if caught could be liable for a fine, imprisonment, deportation or any combination of the three.

Of course that’s immigrations take on things, the MoL may have a different take but without seeing the letter of the law from them I still believe that the scheme offered by TLS is, to put it mildly, very, VERY SUSPECT!

[Johnny Rotten]

thank you TLS for giving me a great laugh this morning. you really are a wanker   . how could anyone ever consider passing on their cash to this nutter.

kudos to Andy for not bitting to asinine comments directed at his mother.

p.s. scam/pon/aw for your information wangsuda has been around these here parts for probably longer than you have been walking upright. i've been here a while as well and have never seen such a display of stupidity on an internet discussion board.   

[P. O NEILL]

Well, I GOT YOUR PROOF
I went to the Thai embassy in laos this morning on behalf of TLSlanguageschool as a favour, myself and my wife and asked for the secretary, we asked her all about this ED-Visa and if a teacher can work on it SHE SAID YES!!!!!!!!!, then I told my wife to make sure so the secretary went and got her boss who is the head of the Thai Embassy here, my wife provided him with the TLS documents and asked when they send teachers up will they get the ED-Visa which allows them to work..........
HE SAID YES!!!!! YOU CAN GET A 1 YEAR ED-Visa AND WORK ON IT, HE HAS THE STAMP AND PROVIDED US WITH HIS PAPER WORK. Now you have kept asking for proof, you say you are pro-teachers well if you are isnt this great for us!!!
You said "if its true you will put up a big advert on the front page cause its great for the teachers". NOW IS THE TEST ARE YOU GOING TO PROVE YOUR ON THE TEACHERS SIDE AND DO THIS OR SHOW EVERYONE YOUR JUST A FRAUD who is just out for money, another companies lap dog and continue denying this for your own reasons, keep denying it with no facts YOU SAID IT YOURSELF "OKAY, I DONT KNOW ANYBODY". I know you will try the latter and then try your best to discredit ALL THE FACTS WHAT PROOF CAN YOU SHOW TEACHERS TO BACK UP YOUR FACTLESS ARGUMENT, NONE, LIKE YOU SAID "OKAY, I DONT KNOW ANYBODY". Your not on the teachers side its easy to see. You will say don't believe him. OKAY ANY TEACHERS READING THIS....
IF YOUR IN LAOS OR THE NEXT TIME YOUR THERE DO THE SAME AS ME AND CHECK IT OUT OR JUST RING THEM. Its 100% fact, Andy will continue with his baseless and factless effort, BUT THE TEACHERS WILL HAVE THERE ED-VISA WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO WORK LEGALLY AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Teachers are not stupid they will check it out for themselves.

Yes I am in laos, I said it myself, you knew that all along, this guy named Aaron said he is in china, I was suspicious of this character at first and thought he was another of your creations, to destroy the image of the school, BUT HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL, but his posts were deleted too, seems like anybody who is on the teachers side is censored. Oh the people who are censored must be all the same person what kind of logic is that?
you slipped up again with "I know who I am, dude, do you know who you are, man?" you said that WORD FOR WORD with 2 different names, odd? your the one who is confused about his race and nationality thats plain for all to see.
 It seems you use your own insecurities against others
 
Your a non-native so you try to call somebody else who is English a Dutch man.(your lie on this was found out)
 
Your cheating teachers with this bogus 40hour online course, your a fraud!!! so you try to call a good business who has never had a bad word said against them frauds too
 
You sit around all day in your mommas basement posting as a load of different names, but when your confronted with all the proof on this what do you do, LOL yes you guessed it everyone , he accuses myself, Chris and this person who I never heard before of the same thing. Aaron said one true thing....

"It seems to me every time a great post is put up by teachers, the admin try to drown it out with several posts that are not really saying anything. This is because the reader usually goes to the last page and wont read the whole 5 pages so you fill up a page after any facts. I found Sham and Poneills the most informative posts"

That sure is true look at all those factless posts after, e.g."Yo, man, like wow, you is da cool dude" sounds like you andy for sure but maybe its not, maybe you might soon have your first partner,a boyfriend, What a suck up kiss ass, thats humourous to you, LOL your sad.

As for C.C. you insulted him, you accused somebody else(same old tactic again) of insulting him and when caught lying and questioned about this you could not even answer, you just talked about something else(do you really think teachers are stupid) read below

Question
"but the little digs against C.C. by Mr. TLS" thats lies and now your a proven liar, when did they insult this C.C.
you said "Because of the shitty implications about C.C., that teacher clearly betrayed any trust he was ever given" your the only person who took digs at him and why? is he the person who told P o neill all your details and blew your cover?
Your a proven liar after saying this

Answer (Your smoke and mirrors answer)
Who are you talking to? Oops, you assume too much. You connected the photo that existed at one time on the main page and the one advertising a certain monthly column on Ajarn. What you don't realize is that Ajarn and TEFLWatch used the same stock photo, but hey, you wanna call me CC go ahead.
DID HE ANSWER THE QUESTION?

You forgot another question aaron..... Andy what have you ever achieved in life? what are your achievements?


As for the comment about racist, antisemitic and "Aryan". I am 100% anti-racist, I am certainly not racist and it is the most hurtful thing to call me. I have friends who are jewish and I see the bullshit they get sometimes, they are very nice, funny and easy going people and of course sometimes like everyone jokes about our national differences on accasions, eg sometimes they would tell a joke about my countries stereotype of being all Alchoholics lol, they joke about their stereotype of careful with money. I dont get offended I dont take myself seriously and neither do they.
They use the word shylock to describe shady people, so i used it to describe you. The only racism on this site is always against Thais, I could post about 5 pages worth but I have a life and I have not got time, like i said im on holiday in laos, anyway my post is way too long already LOL(why is that, maybe cause I must defend all the bullshit from 7 other personas who is really one petty man) anybody can find the horrible anti-Thai slurs on this site, If you dont love Thailand go home and dont live here!!!!!!!!!!  

I know 100% from your friend that all the personas are you Andy, but if you were different people wouldn't that be more pathetic, they just talk day and night about boring rubbish,their only friends are on this site don't they have any friends in the real world.

"wangsuda has been around these here parts for probably longer than you have been walking upright" WELL ISNT THAT JUST VERY SAD AND NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT OR MAYBE IT IS IN YOUR SAD LITTLE LIFE.

"i've been here a while as well and have never seen such a display of stupidity" YES YOU STUPIDITY YOU BELIEVE SOMEONE WITH NO FACTS

About my comment on "nearly nobody goes on this site" thats true just look at the numbers dont even bother subtracting all andys names
BUT I STILL POSTED THE FACTS BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OR TWO TEACHERS WITHOUT DEGREES MIGHT GO ON THIS SITE AND MAYBE NEVER TAKE THE ED-VISA OPTION AND END UP GETTING CAUGHT WORKING ILLEGALLY THEN!!! CAUSE SOME SCAREMONGER HAD FILLED THERE HEADS WITH BASELESS CRITICISM FOR HIS OWN MONETARY GAIN!!

 

[P. O NEILL]

Why did'nt you take the owner of TLS down there with all their paperwork and documents like the post yesterday said
its hard to believe you went there, why did'nt you take the owner down there if he is lying would'nt you want him to get caught, its easy to see your talking out your ass.LOL

YOU SAID "Of course that’s immigrations take on things, the MoL may have a different take" YES DON'T YOU REMEMBER THAT THE TLS'S OWNER IS AN OFFICIAL IN THE MoL. WHY WOULD SHE MAKE UP LIES AND RISK LOSING HER JOB!!!! 

[samvimes]

This is priceless comedy..... Inarticulate ramblings that make no sense and there is still no proof to support TLS.

In fact all postings made by Sham/O' Neil etc. are all equally badly written without it would seem any recourse to utilizing any cognitive thinking or logic.

You still can't legally work on an ED Visa without a work permit just in the same way that you can't legally work on a Non-B or Non-O without a work permit.

Thankfully teachers are not stupid so I doubt you'll make any money from this con trick.

It is clear to me that O'Neill and his various online personas have no grounding in education and no knowledge in the fields of pedagogy or androgogy. TLS is a scam and it seems to be defended by a total buffoon.....

Caveat emptor, we give fair warning that TLS and it's little "program" seem nefarious in intent and probably illegal, all in all an attempt to scam money from teachers.

[P. O NEILL]

My first post this morning was delayed for 2 and a half hours to be "reviewed for vulgar, offensive words" in the mean time while it was delayed M-R writes his post full of lies, which tries to contradict my post which was sent first
and which gets posted before mine.
This is bullshit if your not going to be fair and your not genuinely trying to find out the truth about this ED-Visa.
Collect your check from your rip-off sponsors I have given you to much ad space already. Any teacher will check it out themselves so why should I put so much effort in this. There is all ready too much people signed up all ready so I have said my bit and its up to the teachers now.

[Andy]

Sam, you're right, this is priceless comedy.

Him:I am the owner, believe me that I am right!!!

Me: Please provide proof.

Him: I just went to the embassy and asked them and they said yes. See, that's my proof. Please take my word for it. I'm not a liar, really I'm not, just give me your money!

Still, no proof. Show us the law, dude. We're asking for proof, and we ain't gonna accept cuz you say so. Last Friday, I called the Embassy in DC and they told methat you can't. So dude, what ya got to say now?

[Andy]

and dude, we don't hold posts from being posted...so get real.

[hero]

I can't wait to find out if the IP address that P.O'Neill is accessing the site from today is actually in Laos.

[P. O NEILL]

I just can't resist making you look foolish one more time,
Everytime I give you a chance to prove if its true or not you just reply with the old spell check nonsense(A.F.must review all my posts first and change it a little and ad a few mistakes) cause you can't prove something wrong if its not. I asked you

1.IF YOUR IN LAOS OR THE NEXT TIME YOUR THERE DO THE SAME AS ME AND CHECK IT OUT OR JUST RING THEM.

2.TAKE THE OWNER AND HIS PAPERWORK DOWN TO IMM-DEP AND CHECK IT OUT.

Don't you get it, a teacher is not going to believe a person who has achieved nothing in life and knows nobody in Imm-dep and Ed-dep(where these laws are made) .
Nobody is going to believe you before the head of the Thai Embassy in laos where they have the stamp and everything for the visa. Idiot

[hero]

    WORKING OF ALIENS ACT,
                                        B.E. 2521 (1978)

Section 6.  Subject to section 12, any work which an alien is
prohibited to engage in any locality and at any particular time and whether
subject to absolute or conditional prohibition, and to any extent shall be prescribed by
the Royal Decree.

                    Section 7.  Subject to section 10, an alien may engage in any
work which is not prohibited by the Royal Decree issued under section 6 only
upon receipt of a permit from the Director-General or official entrusted by the
Director-General except an alien who is permitted to enter the Kingdom for
temporary stay under the law on immigration in order to engage in the work
which is of necessity and urgency for period not longer than fifteen days, but
such alien may engage in the work after he has notified the Director-General or
official entrusted by the Director-General in writing in the forms prescribed by
the Director-General.

   Section 10.  An alien who has been permitted entry to work in
the Kingdom under the law on promotion of investment or other laws shall
apply for a permit with the Director-General or official entrusted by the
Director-General within thirty days from the date of his entry into the Kingdom,
but if such alien is already in the Kingdom, the period of thirty days shall begin
as from the day he is aware that he has been granted permission to work under
the law on promotion of investment or other laws.  Pending the issue of permit,
the applicant shall be allowed to engage in such work.
Upon receipt of application, the Director-General or official
entrusted by the Director-General shall issue a permit without delay.

http://www.krisdika.go.th/lawHtmStaticContent01.jsp?frm=tmp&page=eng&lawType=law2&lawCode=%a149&lawID=%a149-20-2521-001

So that seems fairly clear and that's the statute.  So that leaves us knowing that one must have a work permit to be entitled to work here.  As such it is really dependant upon the Ministry of Labour as to whether they would issue a work permit to a holder of a non-imm ED visa.

To that end I will continue to research.

[P. O NEILL]

Once again Andy you have not answered any questions and said in a post a few days ago that you have deleted 3 of my posts, now you say you don't do that. Your after telling so many lies now that you can't remember them all and your making yourself look stupid again.
I have spend to much money,time and effort on this site, I gotta stop. , If you want to teach in Thailand or work as anything else for that matter, just go to www.TLSlanguageshool.com. The site is still under construction and looks basic still, just go to contact us and there is phone numbers and a map to the main office. The people are very nice there and will help you with everythingunlike a scaremongering poster who works for a rival company. That last post hero is useless cause the the law says a person on ED-Visa is EXEMPT, Have still not learned what exempt means? read Shams last post it has all the details.

Yes I am in laos did'nt you say that yourself, well I gotta get back to my holiday I have better things to do than talk all day to a 37 year old virgin.
  

[hero]

cause the the law says a person on ED-Visa is EXEMPT

Can you give me a link to where it says that people holding non-imm ED visas are not required to have a work permit should they wish to work?

I'd be interested to read that.  Thanks.

[hero]

NON-IMMIGRANT VISA TEACHING & EDUCATION & OBSERVATION 'ED' VISA:

This Visa applies to those individuals who come to Thailand - to study, to come on a work study tour or observation tour , to participate in projects or seminars , to attend a conference or training course , to study as a foreign Buddhist monk

Students seeking permission to study in Thailand should apply for ED visa (education visa) at least a month before their trip to Thailand. To get this visa you will need a valid passport that does not expire before the end of your intended stay in Thailand and a letter from the admissions department stating that you have registered as a student during the period you wish to be in Thailand. If you get the proper type of visa (ED visa) before coming to Thailand it will save a lot of trouble and money.

The consular section advises individuals that this visa can be changed to a "Non Immigrant B" visa once employment is secured.

That suggests to me that if I want to work I need to transfer from the ED visa to a B visa.  Why would I need to do that - I can transfer a 30-day stamp to a B visa just as easily without needing to fork out 40k on a pointless Thai culture course.

http://www.retire-on-550-month.com/Visa_work_educate.php

[P. O NEILL]

How slow are you I said Shams last post, Andy posted the same thing, The Thai laws say you are exempt from requiring a work permit. I could not be bothered copying and pasting them, I'm on holiday just go back a few pages and its there, you're going round in circles repeating everything over and over(why? whats the matter, are you lonely, you don't want me to go?, you finally have somebody to talk to?), why have you not answered the questions instead. Now I really gotta go spend sometime with my wife and enjoy my holiday.  
Like I said I gotta get back to my holiday I have better things to do than talk all day to a 37 year old virgin

P.S. Hero F------your last post makes you look like the dumbest idiot on here. The whole point of doing this ED-Visa thing is for the teachers who don't have a degree, what the hell have we been talking about for the last 7 pages, seems to me your just trying to fill up more pages, so nobody will read the best posts on the earlier pages by Sham and I.

[anyonefortennis]

Mr. O'Neill, you sir are an idiot, whilst at the same time midly entertaining.

I notice that the culture course is due to start this week, so how many people have you managed to rip off? How many people will be paying for the magical educational visa?

So back to your tale at the Thai embassy in Laos  "her boss, the head of the Thai Embassy" ................so that would be the ambassador, right? who just popped into the office for a chat with your and your wife, to confirm the Ed Visa, yes? The Ambassador, get the heck outta here, your full o'shite.

This is, without question, a dodgy scam undertaken by a couple of half wits.

 

[samvimes]

Anyonefortennis I really take great exception to your last post.

How dare you imply that Mr O'Neill is a half wit. I find your comments highly offensive to half wits. Mr O'Neill has a long way to go before he can join their select company, it will take great effort to move his IQ into double figures but I'm sure he is capable of showing us all his potential 

[Johnny Rotten]

So, Sham, Aaron Duke and P.O Neil are not the same person! Oviously they're all as nutty as each other but what proof do we have?

I noticed something consistent with all 3 posters: whenever they make the contraction of 'you are' they write 'your'. there are many examples but take a look at Post 28 Sham, Post 35 P.O Neil and Post 59 Aaron Duke.

I don't know how to quote all 3 in to 1 reply so I'll post this then post the following examples.

[Johnny Rotten]

I know your not good at english so i have included the dictionary meaning of exempted.....

[Johnny Rotten]

 Andy If your American why did your CV last year read Philipino and just because 

[Johnny Rotten]

dislike a rat in their house, your the worlds rodents, rat-faced jews your responsible

[anyonefortennis]

Sam, you're right, I always think of Black Adder's Baldrick as the classic half wit, and he's far more entertaining than O'neill and friends.

How about plebs? or amoeba perhaps?

[Mods-Rockers]

My first post this morning was delayed for 2 and a half hours to be "reviewed for vulgar, offensive words" in the mean time while it was delayed M-R writes his post full of lies, which tries to contradict my post which was sent first
and which gets posted before mine.

Well I cannot say if your post was delayed or not, and my post was put up here first so how could I have been trying to contradict yours before I had even seen it, Or am I supposed to be yet another Andy clone?
Well if you believe what I wrote to be lies, that’s your choice, as its also the choice of every other reader here, but they simply have to do the same as I did and go to immigration and ask the same questions.
In fact, I would advise any prospective customers of TLS to do exactly that, follow your advice and check with Immi and the MoL before parting with any sponds, you never know, if enough people make enquiries we may well see a visit to TLS and certain people playing hide the soap in a well known hilton in BKK.

This is bullshit if your not going to be fair and your not genuinely trying to find out the truth about this ED-Visa.

Strangely, many people on this forum have been asking TLS to provide the proof, and so far all you and they/you have come up with is the barely comprehensible rambling rant in your ‘delayed’ post which again is merely a claim that you met with someone who is the ‘boss’ in the Thai Embassy in Vientiene, Would you care to give a name? nah didn’t think so!

[Andy]

Dudes, this has gone on long enough. For those cruising in on this thread, check out the main page posting:

http://www.teflwatch.org/272/special-warning-tls-language-school/

I also urge people considering this school to read this entire thread, it'll be eye opening.

For now, this thread is locked, sorry boys.