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Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« on: February 17, 2006, 01:05:34 pm »
Well where does one start!
I worked at this school for a long while and I have never seen such bad man management in my life! The 'Academic' section was - and still is - run by a filipino who has been doing the job for many years but still cannot manage to do anything right. The interview generally consists of  A:' Hello. When can you start?' B: 'Don't you want to see my qualifications?' A: Never mind. You look okay. !!
At the start of every school year, there were never books until two weeks into the semester, the timetables or what you were teaching was never known until the last minute. The idea that the school is  bilingual is a joke as the 'Academic Director' now employs ANYBODY regardless of nationality or qualifications!! There are russians, hungarians and a brazilian who can't even string two words together!
The 'Academic Section' is supported by a swedish 'Personnel Supervisor' who hasn't heard of the word 'appraisal' or 'training' who lets the teachers pretty much do what they want! In short be very careful of this school! But if you are non-native go ahead, APPLY NOW!

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2006, 05:51:44 pm »
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I worked at this school for a long while and I have never seen such bad man management in my life! The 'Academic' section was - and still is - run by a filipino who has been doing the job for many years but still cannot manage to do anything right. The interview generally consists of  A:' Hello. When can you start?' B: 'Don't you want to see my qualifications?' A: Never mind. You look okay. !!
At the start of every school year, there were never books until two weeks into the semester, the timetables or what you were teaching was never known until the last minute. The idea that the school is  bilingual is a joke as the 'Academic Director' now employs ANYBODY regardless of nationality or qualifications!! There are russians, hungarians and a brazilian who can't even string two words together!

Yes, I have heard personal accounts from two teachers who used to work at the school and they were not very complientary. They reflected your observations. The school's Director is extremely nice. It's a real shame as the students there were very nice and the school has such a lot of potential.
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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2006, 10:33:05 pm »
As Frederick Foreigner and Willaim Jenkins so rightly put it,

 {j<o> The 'Academic' section was - and still is - run by a filipino who has been doing the job for many years but still cannot manage to do anything right. The interview generally consists of  A:' Hello. When can you start?' B: 'Don't you want to see my qualifications?' A: Never mind. You look okay. !!

                                                                                                       and

  ;D The school's Director is extremely nice. It's a real shame as the students there were very nice and the school has such a lot of potential.

 {j<o> The ******** excuse for a hirer really is a pathetic joke. {j<o> She uses agencies to solely get kick backs from agencies to line her own sweaty pockets. So EVERYONE is hired on the spot regardless of nationality or ability. In all my life i have never met such an incompetent, unorganized, useless, lazy, corrupt, greedy, stupid, credit-takeing, irresponsible  woman. i am glad i left that piece of refuse behind and went to a better bilingual school paying almost twice of udomsuksa. some of the brats are spoiled brats and cannot do any wrong in mommy's eyes. F*****g holy terrors. {}}  good riddance to bad rubbish in that respect, but adieu to a school with potential if    {j<o> ********   {j<o>  was sacked.   >:D
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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2006, 10:14:41 am »
In response to Freddy Farang  I totally agree that it is a crying shame that the school has been allowed to rot! What was once a decent school with qualified,native, caring teachers has now decended into a school with unqualified, non-native teachers with hopeless management. :(

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2006, 08:42:48 am »
I'm glad there is more than one disgruntled employee! I know there are more out there! I am also NOT anti-Udom but I was also one of the few teachers who was there when teachers were pro-active,cared, were concientious and punctual! I know I sound like a broken record but it is a CRYING SHAME that the school has decended into a state of organised CHAOS!
Sack the 'Personnel Supervisor!' Sack the 'Academic Director'! AND get rid of ten or so teachers who come in half-drunk or high as kites!!
Nuff said!!!!


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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2006, 08:48:33 am »
So Udomsuksa has entered the Hall of Shame! About time too! I recently heard that up to 30 students are leaving he school! Why is that? Could it be the top-class teachers? Excellent management? I' m at a loss??!!

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2006, 12:11:57 am »
I don't think I've ever felt so good after reading a post.

I returned to Thailand after a few years in Korea.  I'd had this brilliant idea of using an agency so I'd have a job waiting for me.  I don't recall the name of the firm, though online they appeared to have an office in the U.S. and a man (a woman, as it turned out) was in Bangkok.

The recruitment appears to have been a bait and switch.  Udomsuksa needed a math teacher or some such thing, not another conversation teacher.  I suspect that I had been placed at Udomsuksa with the intent of not being hired so that I could be moved to Ayuthaya.  Fortunately, I did not pay the $300 deposit - refunded after finishing one year -I was told that the recruiter would never be available when you tried to collect it.

I arrived at Udomsuksa well into the second term and can't comment on book availability.  I do recall our Filipina overseer (whom I've since nicknamed Jabba).  She was less than thrilled to learn that I'd been twice married to and twice divorced from Thai women.  I can only imagine how happy she was about my contact with a Filipina on Mindinao.  ("Boastful" was the word she used to describe me.)  And I recall seeing ads in the BKK Post for teachers, with her name as the contact, which made me wonder why she was having trouble filling positions.

I do recall a teacher abruptly leaving.  And I was released after six weeks.  I'll never know if it was Jabba's doing or the recruiter's scheme or something I'd said (all possible).  But I do feel better knowing that others have had trouble.  At the very least, misery loves company.  And maybe, just maybe, I wasn't completely at fault for not being kept on.  I did have a non-im B, and the consular officer at the Los Angeles Thai Consulate even knew the school.

This was over five years ago.  Maybe things were different then.  The foreign teachers certainly were friendly and appeared to all be competant.

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2006, 08:42:51 am »
It seems that all the threads are not about the school as a school but about one person who works there. The basis of which because of that one person and some dodgy agency the school has been dragged down. There is nothing wrong with the school. One person does not make a school bad or good and if you think that you are vey blinkered in you focus on teaching at any school.

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2006, 03:43:42 pm »
So whats the lastest with the school?? I heard from a thai teacher at the that some farang left last week, and have problems with the principle.

This doesn't surprise me, annual turnover of teachers that didn't finish the school year was approximatly 30, that was replacements of replacements or replacements in some cases, only about 7 of the teacher started and finished the full school year and half had been there for years ( some due to no degree so couldn't go anywhere else).

The school is rotting due to incompetance from Jabba,  the Principle and other admin staff.  I'm waiting for them to hire a chimp as a teacher just cause it has a white face and learnt to shave.   
There is a definition of a native speaker of English and its not "has a white face"  but thats what this school seems to think is true.  Hence Russian, Belgiums, Germans etc are all hired here with almost impossible to understand accents to even native speakers.  So how the hell do you think the kids learn English? Or is it exceptable to have thai kids sounding like Poirot, Arnie etc???

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2006, 09:17:05 pm »
the school has been dragged down. There is nothing wrong with the school.

Now it all makes a bit more sense.  "dragged down" explains a lot because the school has so many good points that it should be an ideal place to work.

I mentioned that the foreign staff was very nice.  So was the Thai staff!  Ironically, I had my faux pax because a Thai teacher was being sociable came to by to say hello to the new guy.

(She asked about my first wife and why we'd divorced [a hair-trigger temper was part of it].  When she asked for an example, I gave her one.  I later learned just how offensive a name my first wife had chosen to call me.)

One of the ruling family had just come back from univ. in Oz.  She was always helpful, even helping me in trying to recover a phone I'd lost.  Even the person formerly known as Jabba (and I sincerely regret that choice of a nickname - she wasn't slender and that name could be hurtful if it ever got back to her - perhaps Darth Vadar or Imelda [Marcos] or some historical figure would be a better choice) didn't hesitate in directing me to a nearby and inexpensive clinic for a health ceritificate for the WP (which I never needed, but still, she was helpful).

The school paid on time and in cash.  We had all had co-teachers.  New teachers were often directed to nearby digs.  I had a friendly face knocking on my door the first day to escort me to work.

I can't say that there was nothing wrong.  Some classes were a bit of a trek ("you'll earn your money teaching here!" the director told me) and weren't air-con, but my closet-sized shared "office" was as were the international classrooms, and there were elevators!!!

When I needed a desk in my apt.; the school sent one over!  Now that's service!

I think it's natural to wonder just what happened.  (And I'm sure that not being kept on was at least partly my own fault, but still, I feel less badly about it now that I've seen them on the black list.  Is that an unreasonable or unusual reaction?)

So, just as things began to make sense (the school has been "dragged down" over the past five years), another fly popped up in the ointment.  A teacher at one of my jobs worked there a dozen years ago and remembers "Imelda" as being a pain in the posterior even then. 

(This teacher and I seem to have a flair for finding fun places to work.  We both worked for Udomsuksa, and we've both had to work with you-know-who, everybody's favorite teacher.)

Excuse me if I'm obsessing.  I probably am.  This place keeps turning up in my life.  Back then I lived on LP Soi 80, now I live on LP Soi 8.  While apt. hunting, we saw a place that was across the street from Udomsuksa.  I've since worked for another school that has "Udomsuksa" in its name.  And now I learn that one of my co-workers is a fellow alumni.

Everything's off my chest now.  If anybody has Imelda stories, PM them to me.  Imelda, if you're reading this, I sincerely apologize for using Jabba as a nickname.  It was late, I was tired, and I should never have sent the "SEND" button with that in it. 

P.S. to Imelda:  my Mindinao penfriend and I did not work out though we have met in Dipolog and Tacloban and Dumaguete.  I provided thousands of dollars of assistance to her and her daughter - it's been a real soap opera.  I did remarry, to a Thai, and for perhaps the second time in my life I'm happy.  I also lost most of that excess weight - contact Dr. Dineros in Quezon City if you're interested.

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2006, 04:16:46 pm »
Does anybody ever read my posts? There were more but a weeks worth were lost due to the meltdown mentioned before.
In reply to Ajarnnormal, yes it is one person everybody is on about because everything eminates from her! Jabba does the interviewing and employs ANYBODY who will grunt. SOOOOOOO because of this you have a school full of winoes and people from the eastern bloc with my favourite Brazilian thrown in. So when she is gotten rid of the school can only improve!

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2006, 10:31:07 am »
Ok Billy I see the point you are trying to make. It is a shame I agree. I am sure you know why Jabba is there.

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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2006, 11:58:49 am »
Sorry Ajarnnormal. If it seemed I was having a 'pop' at you , that wasn't the case! I'm glad you see the point. I just feel for Pittwater House who are a very reputable company with good teachers. Udom got rid of one pest who called himself 'The Ajarn' so maybe, eventually the director will see the light and let 'Jabba' go. Privately I would be interested in why you think she is unsackable as I have my own ideas on this subject.

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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2006, 05:13:22 pm »
Billyjenkins - Please do not refer to you know who as Jabba because that is a great insult - to the original Jabba! Has she started her agency yet? "The Ajarn" was fairly harmless but he did tend to give his students too much homework. Is the guy who used to be paid weekly still there? Another one who ought to be sacked is the poison dwarf - one of the most ignorant people that I have ever met.

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2006, 11:11:07 am »
I'm intrigued! Who is the poison dwarf? It's been a while since I worked there. Could you be on about a certain filipino who works in the office??

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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2006, 02:44:39 pm »
Now I am interested also - who is the poison dwarf????? Can you tell us without naming names? I worked here for a year and can't really remember any 'vertically challenged' individuals!

Whilst here I will add my ha'penny worth. This school could be a good place to work, the DoS is ok, not that proactive but he does a difficult job with Jabba trying to cock everything up. He seems to smooth over any trouble, does the basics and generally keeps things ticking over. He has been given a hard time by previous posts on this board (that went missing in the meltdown), but really he is a nice bloke, making the best of things and doing an ok job.

I agree that the real issues lie with Jabba, she is really incompetent, almost criminally so. This is an extreme example of someone being promoted to their level of incompetence. She is clueless and quite vindictive. She seems to hire any one who walks through the door, really doesn't care about the education standards and has scant regard for the teachers who try to work there. She is a thorn in the side of the whole school and is single-handedly ruining the school's reputation. Specifics of her mad actions are many, but it would take me pages to explain!

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2006, 05:00:00 pm »
Billyjenkins - if you knew the 'Ajarn" then you must know who the 'poison dwarf' is. I will not give out her name  but think of a Japanese whisky! I sent you a pm with my mobile number on it - call me! I worked with you

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2006, 06:12:39 pm »
Hippo.

Just sent you a pm. I'm really curious to know who you are. I hope your not the 'political assassin' who worked there for a day a while back or the guy whose 'security clearance' was so high he couldn't gain entry to Vietnam?! I could go on! There were some classic cases (teachers) over the period I was there. I'll post again when I've remembered more!

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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2006, 08:25:46 pm »
I have moved several off topic posts over to the Sour Gripes forum in the hissyfits thread. If a post is missing, you will find it there. Try not to attack that certain staff member. I think it is clear  who she is and what she has done, reading the Hall of Shame post makes that clear. No more personal attacks on the staff of this school.

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2006, 07:53:08 am »
Good idea. I have seen a lot of threads about just one or two members of staff. If that was there main gripe about this school it doesn't say much for their ability to put up with some of the crazy things that go on in this country. I think most of us put up with more just on the streets of Bangkok.

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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2006, 11:28:33 am »
I don't know about the school, but our logs have shown some recent activity from udomsuksa in searching on our site and reading, multiple times, the Hall of Shame induction.

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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2006, 11:31:01 am »
Uncle Che,

I am most interested in thsi news! I had always hoped that schools would look at what is said and take some sort of action! Have they contacted you at all??

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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2006, 05:27:24 pm »
A post has been deleted because it seemed to name several individuals at this school, and there is no way to tell if the names are real ones, real nicknames, or entirely imaginary; furthermore, the post was more aimed at insults and slanging at those individuals rather than adding useful information or discussion.  Please refer to individuals by descriptions or titles to avoid violating board rules.

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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2006, 09:21:05 am »
In my view I don't even think that this school should be on the Hall of Shame. It is obvious to me that most of the comments have been about individual members of staff rather than the school. who is to say if these remarks are just 'Sour grapes". Believe me this school has seen some crap staff come and go.

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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2006, 01:38:12 pm »
I was invited to join the teaching staff at Udomsuksa school recently. I was met there by an agent who initially took me to see the principal, and whilst we only spoke for several minutes during which time she reviewed my Degree & CELTA certificates, seemed a nice enough person. I was then sent over to see the filipino [Sorry - no names], as someone else call her, aptly imo) who does the hiring & firing of foreign teachers, she wasn't the nicest person you'll ever likely to meet and I got the impression she was struggling to sort out the teacher schedules when I arrived. I can't recall what we spoke about exactly but it went on for 30 minutes or so, I asked lots of questions and sensed I could quite easily take control of the intervew, which I did much to the amusement of the other candidate who was with me. She did mention however, that they regularly observed & assessed their teachers and those found to be wanting were given several chances to improve before being fired. [Sorry - no names] then requested I do a demo lesson, apparantly it was part of the new requirements, they needed to evaluate me. So rather than come back the next day I decided to take the initiative and do a 30 minute demo there and then. Enter the Swedish guy (not sure if he is Swedish, I didn't ask) who was introduced as head of HR for the foreign teachers, he was going to appraise me during the demo lesson. I introduced myself to the M2 or they may have been M3 kids & spent the time playing games & having fun. The Swedish guy took me to one side after & told me that I'd done ok & asked a few personnel related questions & we went back to [Sorry - no names]'s office. [Sorry - no names] then asked me to start the next day, which I agreed to.  ;) I didn't turn up, the Swedish guy phoned me and I agreed to show up the following day to discuss the teaching schedule & meet some of the teachers, which I didn't. TiT.

Note: I didn't use her real name in the post, just a nickname that had been given to her by another poster in the Hall of Shame entry for this school. Sorry.  ;D
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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2006, 01:43:26 pm »
We used to have teachers there. They seemed reasonably happy all said and done...and [Sorry - no names] is supposed to be okay if you stay on the right side of her.

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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2006, 01:54:11 pm »
We used to have teachers there. They seemed reasonably happy all said and done...and Miss xxxxx is supposed to be okay if you stay on the right side of her.

Naughty chap kk, you mustn't name names here.  :) I guess the question is, what does staying on the right side of her mean. I just didn't feel it worth the risk, after reading so much about her & the way she administers things, on this site & from otter people. Pity, cos I quite liked the school, the location & the kids I met, the possible downside was all the ISO paperwork that needed to be kept up to date or paperworks as the filipino woman constantly said. But I could have lived with that.
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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2006, 01:58:32 pm »
Quote from: Harry
Pity, cos I quite liked the school, the location & the kids I met, the possible downside was all the ISO paperwork that needed to be kept up to date or paperworks as Miss Silly constantly said. But I could have lived with that.

So why didn't you turn up for the job after you accepted it then?

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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2006, 02:01:13 pm »
Quote from: Harry
Pity, cos I quite liked the school, the location & the kids I met, the possible downside was all the ISO paperwork that needed to be kept up to date or paperworks as Miss Silly constantly said. But I could have lived with that.

So why didn't you turn up for the job after you accepted it then?

Quite simple really, I decided to check the school out on the Internet after accepting the job, wheras an intelligent person would have done that prior to accepting an interview appointment. The stuff I read about the school in the Hall of Shame here & this forum scared the hell out of me.  :'(

Still, live n' learn as they say.

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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2006, 02:02:36 pm »
Another satisfied Teflwatch customer {b<c>

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2006, 02:52:00 pm »
I think that most of the stuff written about this school is crap.

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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2006, 05:16:42 pm »
Two posts were removed here.  One I considered completely pointless, another was inflammatory towards another poster.  Please remember, that in this forum, the topic is the school named in the thread - therefore, anything not related to the school in question is off-topic and will in many cases be removed {-}

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« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2006, 09:30:09 am »
You restore my faith in fairness

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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2006, 07:46:35 am »
Can I just add a little note here, I hear things seem to be improving at the school, they have taken note of the critism and are making some changes. Apparently the Mattayom Program is under new direction (not any longer by the legendary 'Jabba') and recruitment standards have risen. I hear this from a whitey working at the place, whose opinion I trust and who has no management responsibility.

Before the pitchfork brigade get a whiff of this and come hunting me with cries of 'burn him, burn him, the school is wrong, end of story', I would like to say that these are tentative steps, things aren't perfect as yet, but apparently the school has taken a step in the right direction. Teflwatch.org in action!

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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2006, 06:36:36 pm »
I took off some nonsensical posts  and put them in a thread in Sour Gripes.

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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2006, 02:13:00 pm »
Read my lips…. a famous sentence by former president Bush… NOW read my lines….. STAY AWAY don’t even consider going there, unless you want to get cheated and betrayed.

The school is a private owned one. By a Dr. *******, her sister and her brother. The mother of the three goes around and shows the family’s wealth – which they have gained doing many years – by having a lot of gold everywhere, two Mercedes cars and electric golf car to bring her easily around the school complex in Lat Phrao. At the same time books and materials to teach with are missing. Pay all your own cost to get a work permit even if you have to apply more than one time, no towels in the toilet, missing cleaning of the teachers lounge, no soap, missing backup and service to the teachers. Pay yourself for the photocopies to be used in the classroom unless you have submitted the material three weeks before. **names removed** are still walking around the place – god most wonder why.

The school has around 4200 students, of which 400 are attending the bilingual program. Therefore the school needs many foreign teachers. And believe me there are many at the school, but the human flow trough the school in one term/semester is huge. The poor kids see many farang faces doing a calendar year. Too many in one school year counted by all those foreign teachers going in and out all of the time.

The school was the first to enter The Hall of Shame….. And after some time there I and fellow new teachers DID UNDERSTAND WHY. This statement is a common one – made by many teachers that choose to stop at the same time after midterm break because of the schools many promises that were never kept. Before we left the flow of new teachers applying for the many vacant positions at the third floor of the so-called academic office was like an ice-cream shop on a sunny beach. Many went in and surely never returned. These teachers were the clever ones. Before the school went on a term break in October all new teachers where told of the schools policy of 3 weeks of paid vacation starting on either the 4th of October or the 6th. Add three weeks to the given date and one would know when to return to the teacher’s lounge for another break until the kids where back in the beginning of November. And by new teachers we mean employed teachers that started 4 or 5 month before midterm break shortly after the first term started.

When a new teacher joins the academic office to participate in an interview, the head of the department **name removed**, promises all new employees three weeks of paid vacation in the midterm break. Not one single word is mentioned about the issue…… SUMMER CAMP. The school expects all new teachers to join this, but only gives the teachers less than an few days warning before the camps opens up and no time for preparations. Not one single word is mentioned before everyone is ready to go one vacation. Of course no information was provided on what was going to happen on the summer camp or what lessons should be taught there, even that they run this kind of activity once a year. As most foreign staff already had order airplane tickets for a return home, planed other activities in there holiday or a round trip in SE Asia or just planning for some relaxing holidays with family and friends at there home or elsewhere. So Udomsuksa School thinks they can breach Thai labour law by forgetting to pay double salary on the vacation days that the new teachers are loosing for attending the summer camp. The Thai Labour act is very specific on that point.

At the same time the school doesn’t shoulder the expensive of there officers mistakes and faults, in this case a new teacher where told to go on a Saturday/Sunday weekend trip to Laos to visit the local Thai embassy to request for a non B stamp in his passport. The teacher asked several times if they where sure he should go on a Saturday as he thought no embassy would be opened in a weekend. The officer – a Pilipino lady answered “YES YOU SHALL GO”. That was of course not correct and the cost the poor chap had on that trip was a small fortune for him and a three days trip wasted on northing than waiting for the return flight because of Udomsuksa mistake.

Another teacher was told to get all the paperwork from his home done by original transcripts ect. Therefor his non b expired doing the apply process – so please return home to the native country and get another non b. The teacher did so – of course no shoulder of expense from the school and at the return with little money left in the pocket. But payday was ahead and the school had promised full payment……sooooo and that was needed after paying for a new non b and a flight ticket back home.

After the holiday the foreign teachers returns to do nothing until the kids are back - just clock in and clock out. At the return the school continued its policy to promise and do otherwise later – after the holiday the salary wasn’t into the account on time…. Even when the pay lady - the sister of the director once again promised that full salary would be paid in the month of October – vacation period or not. But payout is delayed for all foreign teachers because a Thai government pay rise for the thaistaff was one excuse. Later in the day they used another excuse, and so forth. So the next day it was another and another and another excuse not to pay salary. The following day, which was one day after the due date to pay salary for October, there where still no money in the account. Some few teachers had got there money in there account but could not withdraw them. Other teachers had kids to take care off or a mortgaged to be paid in the bank on time, but the school didn’t want to pay on time as they change policy for there new teachers regarding the issue of full paid holiday. Suddenly a new teacher shouldn’t have any payment at all for the month of October. Later in the day the salary arrived into the account but of course not as promised – an full payment – and as stated in the contract and promised at the hire. Deducted but no explanation did follow. In a sms from **name removed**, one teacher where told to come by the office and discuss the matter and gets his payment by cash… ohh “by the way we have hired another teacher to take over from you, so bye bye” he where told and send away with some pocket money.

Thai labor law states that if an employer needs to “release” an employee from the vacation promised he or she needs to pay double of a normal salary for a working day and have the acceptance of the employer to do that. Udomsuksa School didn’t even bother to ask if we wanted to do a summer camp without getting paid extra as we stand to loose our promised holidays.

Now the school has been reported for MOE, MOL, Immigration police, and a case has been send for the labor court. All the former teachers want is there full salary as promised by the school.

The school did even try to hire some of the former teachers back after forgetting to pay the full salary. Wow for a place. Now we understand the meaning when a school enters the hall of shame.

STAY AWAY  :curse:
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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2006, 08:23:34 am »
This story is far from the truth I'm afraid.The truth of the matter is they were told to bring in their original documents so they could be put through the process within four days and they failed to do this.They came back to the school and kicked off asking for a month's salary and were told that they havn't done anything yet and failed to produce the documents required. they then became very rude and started swearing at the staff. They were given half their salary for doing jack shit. If you read the thread you will see that there knowledge of the English language is one cell short of amoeba. There are several teachers who can verify this. There was a long stream of so called teachers for positions at the school but as in most cases they were not qualified or suitable. You have to start work before you are entitled to a holiday I am sure even the writer was aware of that. It became evident that what they wanted was the holiday pay and then piss off. Come on this school has had som flak for no reason there are teachers here who are happy with what they have and sign up each term for another dose of the same. The summer camp is part of the deal and it only lasts for one week. for someone who never taught a class at this school you seem to know a lot about nothing.

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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2006, 10:02:46 am »
I’d be interested to know what this school is like to teach at (administration issues aside), there is very little mention of what the teaching facilities, resources, or indeed the students, are like, it seems that most of the problems emanate from one individual, apart from the headaches caused by this lady’s ineptitude what’s the place like to work at? 

ImFineThankYouAndYou, do/did you teach English there.....or another subject?

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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2006, 10:24:09 am »
AFT I wait with baited breath for his answer. When it comes I will tell you what it is like to teach at this school. I can tell you that the students are pretty much the same as any school. The school has an ISO so there is a fair bit of paperwork but no more than I had when I taught in an International School in Europe.

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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2006, 11:50:01 am »
Ajarnnormal, what's the teacher turnover rate like, and how long have you been there?

Reading back through the posts most people seem to agree that the school is ok, but would be a damned sight better if one individual slung her hook outta there, does this one person really cause so much unrest?

I tend to agree with one of your earlier postings, and if in fact the woman in question is the cause of all the problems then I don't think the school should be in the HOS.

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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2006, 12:29:44 pm »
I think it is possible for a school to extricate itself from the Hall of Shame.  I think of paramount importance in achieving that is to provide information on how the school has improved performance.

Quote from: Hall Of Shame
According to the posters, the person doing the hiring didn’t seem care about the qualifications of the teachers just getting a warm body in front of the students. Resources seem to be lacking in the schools and teachers weren’t even provided books until 2 weeks into the new semester! Training, support and feedback were lacking and the Personnel Supervisor at the school was considered to be unqualified.

Some of the worst comments on the thread seemed to be directed at the head of the Academic Section. Which leads me to believe that the school needs to do a little work in this area, mainly putting someone in charge of managing the program who can be a true leader of the program. In fact, one poster, “Captain Cryptic” made speculation that the head of the Academic Section was taking kickbacks from agencies. Hard to believe this, but since neither the school nor any current or former teacher decided to comment on the thread, I can only guess that the accusations were true.

I guess if there is positive feedback by posters that these particular issues have been resolved or improved then there would be a chance that it could be removed.  Admin?

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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2006, 12:33:50 pm »
Well the teaching resources are excellent the classes are much the same as anywhere else in Thailand. As far as improving I don't believe most of this thread anyway. they don't take just anybody as the thread about the teachers who were told to produce their original documents states. I will add to this later when I have more time.

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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2006, 01:34:37 pm »
Well, they would need a management overhaul. Those are the issues that put them in the Hall of Shame and from what I am still hearing, a reason why they are still in it. I can understand the shame that one experiences by needing to put a Hall of Shame school on their resume/CV, but realize that other employers will not pay as much attention to a negative or non existent reference from the school.

Any managers at the school are welcome to contact me to find out what they can do to extricate themselves from the Hall of Shame.


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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2006, 02:23:59 pm »
UC, I'm just not so sure that a school should be tarnished if the problems all stem from one person. 

If she is trouble then sure people should be warned, but if you worked with a cack teacher I'm sure you would be pissed off if people assumed you to be cack as well just because you worked at the same place.

I know little about this school, but nearly all the posters (for and against) agree that it is ok and the problem is one individual. So I guess I'd like to know, is the school bad or is it just her? If the answer is 'her' then I don't think the school should be in the HOS, any other answer then let them rot in the HOS!
 

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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2006, 03:37:17 pm »
I'm afraid I don't agree with Che. The problems stem from teachers who want to witch about a person who has asked them to do their job correctly. Where are these people now? gone more than likely. they just wanted to put in there teo peneth before they went. I would be proud to have US school on my resume. I have seen what the admin department has had to put up with with teachers who have come here and been knocked back with fake degees by the MOE. then they rant and rave at the admin dept about getting paid a full month when they have only worked 1 week. In some countries they would be up in court for fraud. the school would tell them to go to hell for their money. I know for a fact that this school has paid some over the odds when they have been found out to be frauds to help them out. what gets me is that some crook has had to bring the school down with them. :guns:

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« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2006, 03:58:47 pm »
If the school is knowingly hiring management that is giving them a bad name, then they should deal with the issue. It's not her, it is the school. They are the ones who pay the bills.

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« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2006, 04:44:02 pm »
following this logic then any school with a bad manager is worthy of a place in the HOS, I hope it's a bloody big hall cause there's plenty of bad managers out there. 

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« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2006, 06:29:56 pm »
   Do read the Hall of Shame induction statements and the rationale of each induction. The HofS schools have the worst  management, the worst ownership, try to deport teachers without any cause whatsoever, cane foreign teachers, the worst record of screwing teachers out of money; are the worst liars, cheats, swindlers; have a higher turnover of foreign teachers than the normal rates of high turnover, pay absolutely no mind to education...one could continue...

   It's not as if a school is inducted into the HofS each day or each week for that matter, either. So it's not as if there were a quota to be met, or as if TeflWatch were feverishly inducting schools at whim, or capriciously.  Why focus on TeflWatch, anyway? The focus is on the schools and their owners and/or managers, Thai and/or foreign.
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« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2006, 07:41:46 pm »
A few years ago the turnover of staff in the EP program was 30 before the end of the year and doesn't include those who stayed the full 1 yr contract and quit.  As they had about 25 teacher for which at the time about 5 were long termers then it means some teacher of the 30 was replacements of replacements.
Most people got screwed with last minute changes, events, paperwork. 

Recruitment was basically "when can you start?" then "whats your name"

Non-natives hired that had English not even the natives could understand.

If it went Fubar then it was the farang's fault.  Firings before holidays to save a few Baht. Screw you for end of contract bonus.....

Incompetance relyed on other incompetance e.g principle relyed on filipino admin. Principle's sister no idea of money security. If you wanted an advance sure she will give it to you, but gives you the opputunity of taking a roll of thousands of her messy desk when her back is turned and head in the filing cabinet.

Food that is barely classed as food.  Kids and teachers eat the same swill (fish balls Monday, Sliced fish balls in a soup Tuesday and diced rotting fishballs in fried rice on Wednesday).

Plus other things you have read from others that happened in the years after.
 

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« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2006, 07:44:45 pm »
Forgot to mention that 3 of the 5 long termers had no degree or TEFL so couldn't go anywhere else. One of which thought he was the world's best educator, we all know who :)

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« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2006, 07:49:30 pm »
Thanks Pibthong, we are getting into Trouble Shooting room area now, or at least close to it. Simple management problems are present everywhere, frankly even the best schools have management issues from time to time. The problem is when these management problems cause so much of a problem that it permeates through the entire organization. It is a fine line indeed and it should be noted that an entry into the Hall of Shame is nothing I take lightly.

back to management issues, if you really think about it, every problem with a school here can be traced back to a management issue. I have never inducted a school because of teachers at the school or because of the students. Every time it has been because of management issues. Just on this thread,  people have made accusations about fake degrees and staff being fired. If the management would bother to check credentials BEFORE they hire, they would avoid the problem.

I will make one important point that really needs to be made about October pay at some schools and something that should NOT be held against this or any other school: Some schools experienced a delay of a day or two paying their October salaries because of some excuse having to do with the MOE releasing funds. This was something out of the hands of the schools....or maybe it was a management issue where schools didn't plan for a contingency.



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« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2006, 08:33:40 pm »
Hubble bubble toil and trouble!!

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« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2006, 08:16:34 am »
You know some of the teachers who write on this thread are known. I am not going to get into slagging off any of them. It is always going to be there word against mine or anybody who works for this school. when someone applies for a job as a teacher they are taken on face value most of the time and when they are foud out then the crap hits the fan. this school has a large amount of teachers and as it has been said many times it is a teachers market. That would not be so if there were not so many bogus teachers out there. As one person has said one person does not warrant the school being put on the HofS. Then someone talks about the food. Where are they coming from? There is a canteen and if the teachers want to use it they can and do. The food is not the best but far from the worst I have tasted. Across the road there are many places to but food at exactly the same price. It is the case on this site that schools are guilty till they prove themselves innocent. there word against mine so to speak. I am not defending the admin i am defending the school as a teacher who does work there and enjoy it. If you are a teacher with qualifications that are not fake and can hack the ISO paperwork then there is nothing to worry about. for every teacher that slags of the school there are four that would defend it.

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« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2006, 10:00:32 am »
The question is, how many former teachers will defend it. It is only natural that someone would defend a school that still gives them a paycheck.

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« Reply #54 on: November 17, 2006, 09:11:17 am »
The good teachers are still there. I see your point. What I find difficult to get my head round is that some bogus teacher puts their little bit on this thread and they are believed to be telling the truth. Most of the people that have put stuff on this thread I know who they are. Believe me if I thought there was something not right about this school that would be a reason to stop teachers working here I would put a thread myself, and get the hell out. Most of the comments are just futile from people who have not stood the test working in Thailand and before they run with their fake degree between their legs they decided to bring the school down. I will not let that happen without telling the way it is. It is difficult to get snot off a suede jacket
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« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2006, 10:53:35 am »
^ ajarnnormal makes a good point.


It's difficult to verify information and claims

made by anonymous posters on public forums.


I think most people do read both sides carefully

before jumping to conclusions or making judgements.





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« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2006, 12:12:46 pm »
That is the only way to do it. Listen to both stories and make a conclusion, it is what I have been preaching about from the get go. 

I do have some VERY credible evidence that I am keeping a hold of and not making public at this time. I am usually very transparent about information concerning a school, but this needs to be kept under wraps for a bit of time. It is enough to justify this school's continued presence in the Hall of Shame for quite some time, and it is a management issue.

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« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2006, 05:31:44 pm »
   The culture of ownership and/or management is the major problem. Cultural norms and mores are difficult to change, especially in Old World societies that have had their questionable values and bad habits for thousands of years.

   Even presently, as the Government is in the process of demanding more of those who would want to teach in Thailand, the focus is exactly on the foreign teachers and those foreigners who potentially would be teachers in Thailand.

   Where's the focus on fundamentally changing the cycle of learn, memorize, regurgitate and forget? When will the Government focus on improving the education and training of those Thais who want to be or already are teachers? Where's the introspection and action to change the decrepit Old World concepts of "education" and their ages old application in the classroom?

   Seeking to improve the quality of farang teachers prima facie is commendable, sure, yes--of course. Now what about the concept, system and personnel within? Where's the courage and enlightenment to deal with the inherently internal problems created long ago and developed over centuries to the present by Thai owners and/or managers as well as bureaucrats?

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« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2006, 07:59:53 am »
 steered everyone’s attention back to the notice-board on the main campus and the photographs of the twenty-four teachers who all looked as though they enjoyed coming to work (at least when the photo was taken) How many of those teachers would be saying ‘adios’ when and if the new regulations kick in?

“We would expect to lose maybe 10-15% of our teaching staff” said Hans “In fact, we’ve recently let two teachers go because a school like ours just can’t afford to take the risks now. The teachers in question couldn’t produce the original documents that we asked for either. Unfortunately the situation turned rather nasty and the teachers became abusive and threatened Thai members of staff. They also demanded extra pay and threatened to sue the school if it wasn’t forthcoming. They also told us that they would post their ‘horror stories’ on the internet – which in fact they did”

For Dr Kamolwan, this ‘outing’ of her beloved school on the internet didn’t seem to sit well at all. It’s not so much the allegations that upset her (however unsubstantiated they may be) but the fact that foreign teachers could be so spiteful.
“We have teachers who have been with us for fifteen years. Generally we give teachers everything they need to do their job well but no school gets it right all the time. Foreign teachers have no idea how hurtful their posts on the internet truly are – especially to the Thais, who are by nature a very sensitive race of people. I seem to spend half my time running the school and half my time protecting my mother and father from hearing about these internet forum accusations. My father is 73 years old and put his life into this school. He doesn’t deserve all this at his age.”

This was on ajarn.com. With the new laws as far as I am aware there are no teachers at the school without degrees. If anybody has got through the net with a fake degree good luck to them.

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« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2006, 02:16:20 pm »
'We have teachers who have been with us for fifteen years' - Thai teachers maybe - foreign teachers - no!

'This was on ajarn.com. With the new laws as far as I am aware there are no teachers at the school without degrees. If anybody has got through the net with a fake degree good luck to them.' I know of at least two who were told to get a better ones from KSR

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« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2006, 03:03:36 pm »
I think the fact that they were told to get better ones is not so because once they have been taken to the MOE they only get one shot at it. If the fake degree goes through then I agree good luck to them. I think a lot of schools know that they have teachers with fake degrees. I agree with the train of thought that in this country you can be a good enough teacher without one. the school that is on this thread is a private school and now it follows MOE guideline. It also gives teachers a chance to produce their documents and attempts to get them legal. What I would like to go back to is the reason that I wrote the thread about the two teachers that were caught and were very abusive when they were found out. They put their lies on this post just because they were found out, asked to leave but were paid more than what they were due.If I remeber they went under the guise of I'm fine thank you and you. Or should it be I'm alright Jack.
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« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2006, 07:38:39 pm »
To Ajarnnormal

NONE of the three teachers have a FAKE OR BOGUS degree. Stop your b..lshit attacks - these attacks are personal - this is a forum for teachers, that did or still do have a problem with a certain school..... So did we.... the school ask for a lot of paperwork to be processed before going on holiday and by all means - this take some times when THEY NEED TO BE VERIFYED BY EMBASSYS, UNIs ECT.

AJARNNORMAL - everyone knows that you do a nearly daily trip to Dr. K.'s office. The funny thing is YOU are the only one backing up the school..... NO ONE ELSE.

NONE of THE three teacher did IN ANY WAY USE a bad language nor was we at ANY TIME nasty or at ANY TIME did we became abusive OR threatened Thai members of staff. We got a dialog with THE PAYLADY ONLY.... SO again STOP your "false bogus" statements.

From the ajarn website MR. H said the following BOGUS, FALSE, COMPLETLY WRONG statement. "They also demanded extra pay".

In the emails and letters send to the school to find a solution to the missing payment of the contract payment for October - which HAS NOTHING to do with the process of degrees AJARNNORMAL - there have NOT BEEN ONE WORD MENTIONED regarding EXTRA PAYMENT. ALL WE WANTED WAS THE FULL PAYMENT PROMISED BY THE SCHOOL. THAT’S ALL. A normal month salary - thats all.

"....and threatened to sue the school if it wasn’t forthcoming." that’s correct. MOE, MOL, labour court, Immigration police all got a letter....

AJARNNORMAL why is it that no one talks to you in the lounch.........  Because as soon as one teacher has left the room a knife is on its way....... from you..... against that person or persons. Basically : You got an attitude problem - one thing is too defend the school as long as they provide you with an paycheck - it's another issue when a fellow teacher gets involved with the management and at the same time defends the school. People and fellow teachers and others reading this forum needs to know this.

To make the situation even far worse ….. We didn’t lie at any time to Udumsuksa … all three of us are in new positions applying for wp, tl ect. So once again stop your small game calling us bogus, fake degree teachers to protect a school that truly needs to be in the HofS…..

By the way if one day the school finally manage to change the admin would you then become a candidate to the position…. Before you go on pension……. Or do you choose to stay a sour gripe attacking fellow teachers that just want a employer to follow the rules promised…… when they hired there staff…..

And Udomsuksa isn’t a place where promised are kept…. That’s why so many different persons can tell a story about this place…. And not many are positive…. Ohh of course yours are….

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« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2006, 09:46:33 pm »
I want to set things straight with some people on this thread.

I AM a current teacher at Udom and will defend it as they have been good to me during my stay there. I have not had one problem with them. This is an honest reply to 'I am fine thank you'
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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #63 on: November 20, 2006, 10:55:58 pm »
Sorry


It's gets too personal..... I am out of here..... Teflwatch should be a place to tell anyone about schools that cheats, tantalize and swindlers....

Most of us using this board because we like having the pay check at the end of the month. At Udom teachers gets an contract where its mentioned that a teacher is properly honored at the end of the month, that they will get their due. We didn't get our due.... Therefor we told the story on the board.....

In stead of "understanding" a fellow teacher or former coworker ------ some uses the chance of getting a sour gripe out..... go ahead.... No more words from here. It's not worth it......

May Udomsucksa rest in peace. And to Current Teacher welcome as a new member of defending this school - the no 1 in the HofS....
Your memberstatus is very new......
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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2006, 06:16:44 am »
Yo, my mama always said I was a slow dog, so Ajarn Normal and Current Teacher, help me out. Every teacher who is dissing have been former teachers, what makes you think you are gonna feel different when you say adios Udomsuksa? The usual game plan is that current teachers try to play their bosses by playin tough against former teachers, yo dog, I did the same then a twit shafted me. Who was playin' who?

Dawg, I comprendo your situation. The Big Dog is calling on you to protect the school's good name. You are just doing your job. Hey, cops are just doing their job, politicians are just doing their job, whores are just doing their job, don't make it right, but wtf, you got bills to pay.

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I don't nothing about this school 'cept they want to close down this site. Why work for a school that wants to gag you?

 

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« Reply #65 on: November 21, 2006, 10:47:31 am »
Andy you are so wrong. I do not work in the main school and have nothing to do with the big boss only pass the time of day when I see them. I'm fine thanks and co, I'm sorry that you feel that it is an attack on you but I do not think anybody could take you seriously when they read your thread and the terrible grammar. Andy are you paranoid that someone is trying to close down this site? I am not in that club my man. I think with the way you write it is hard to understand that you are a native English speaker but then who am I to judge. I defend what i think or know to be right there are things on this site I know nothing about so I keep my nose out. What I do know is that I'm fine thanks and his friends were given enough time to produce their documents but failed to do so. Please be resononable, you are applying for a job and you want to start and you do not show up with the goods. That os no way to start a new job at a new school. The respect should be on you.I have said my piece about this and if this school is on the HofS so be it. As I said I defend what I believe in and it would not matter to me if I was working at this school and something was wrong I would tell the site and get out myself.

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2006, 11:56:56 am »
I think I'm going to lock this thread for a couple of days - I don't want to get into the slanging matches that have plagued this thread since its beginning again!

Ajarnnormal, I'mfinethankyouandyou and others have had their say and the information about the school will remain here.  The thread will be reopened soon enough should any new information come about - it doesn't achieve anything when these threads descend into teachers bickering with each other :)

Please do not suggest that this school is receiving protection from this site - remember it was the first entry in the HoS and there it remains.  Any posters with new relevant information please feel free to contact any of the mods or admin to have the thread reopened.

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2007, 08:38:59 pm »
I think that we should start with some provable facts. This school was recently raided by the immigration police. However, it must be noted that they were looking for specific people. The director had not dismissed fake degree holders. Many of the teachers that remain have seen better days. The basic structure(cancer) has remained intact. This school represents decay.

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2007, 08:24:29 am »
Bawpengyang. What are you trying to say? It is no secret that the school was raided so were many others. The admin take the teachers and try to put them through the WP and TL. What else can they do? Teachers who work there you say have seen better days, When was that exactly? Many a good tune played on an old fiddle. If you have any worthwhile facts man bring them on, not news that I have already stated in other posts. :crackwhip:

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« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2007, 06:03:10 pm »
The place one must start in a hierarchical society like Thailand is at the top or near the top. The Director has a PHD from a Thai university, enough said. The Director has shown no leadership skills whatsoever. The MOE visited the school and told the Director get rid of one or more teachers. On a return visit, members of the MOE found that one of the teachers was still teaching. When the Director attends meetings, advises on the curriculum, visits classes etc., the fortunes of the school will change. Everyone should read the thread. This school could be a flagship for bilingual education in Krung Thep. Instead, it rusts away.

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« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2007, 08:22:30 pm »
The Director has a PHD from a Thai university, enough said.   :axechase:

Oklahoma University I think you'll find. Do your homework please before jumping in.

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« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2007, 09:24:31 pm »
Now would that be Oklamhoma state university or the university of Oklahoma? You see there is a vast difference between the two!

You see Okie State quite openly tells the world that it is fully accredited, whereas the University of Oklahoma is quite reticent in its web pages to talk about accreditation, in fact if you do a serch about it on their internal website you get redirected to google. Now there may well be nothing sinister in this, but there again! The US is full of paper millssome offering life degrees some though do require the 'student' to party for a few years on campus before giving them the paper. I know three Thai "PHd's" with paper from paper mills. oh yes their pretty pieces of paper fool a lot of Thais and for that matter many farang, but dig a litle deeper, ask some degree specific questions and you soon realise that the PHd would have been better printed on cumfybum toilet paper.

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« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2007, 08:16:59 am »
You know this school has had more than it's fair share of flak. Yes in some cases it deserves it but this talk is not about the school it is about a degree for the director. Who has a degree from a very credible University of Oklahoma. Original also. Some of the teachers that have passed through the gates have told lies to the admin to buy them time and been found out Bawpengyang I'm afraid you know very little and should get your facts right instead of trying to make something out of nothing as many have about this school. The school has fired teachers recently for bad teaching and fake degrees maybe it is a bit of sour grapes.
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« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2007, 08:33:12 pm »
Thanks mods-rockers for bringing some common sense into the debate. The only american university that the director told me she had attended was the university of michigan. Mods-rockers has already dismissed the credibility of the U of Ok. If you would bother to read my posts, then you would realize that the school is about decay; lost potential. The director's command of English alone precludes the director from getting a phd at a first-rate university. Answer the challenges about leadership aj. By the way, who appointed you as the school's apoligist?

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« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2007, 08:43:22 pm »
Mods-rockers has already dismissed the credibility of the U of Ok.
Umm sorry but I dont think I did! I pointed ou the the U of Ok did not emphasize its accreditation in a similar way to OK state. That does not necessarilly make it a bad school just bad at self publicity maybe!

With regards to the level of English use and usage you state that the director has, this is sadly often the case and indeed does lead to questions regarding the validity of of the degree, or the credibility of the issueing authority!

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #75 on: February 15, 2007, 09:25:46 pm »
 ^^^^ Bawpenyang

At first you stated that..............
 the director has a PHD from a Thai university, enough said.  :readit:

Then you bumbled your way on your ski slope of rant to say that...........
The only american university that the director told me she had attended was the university of michigan.   :readit:

You then had the arrogance to broadside Ajarnnormal with the drivel........
If you would bother to read my posts, then you would realize that the school is about decay; lost potential

Please bother to get your facts straight. You obviously have a huge chip on your shoulder and will do anything to degrade this school, which has, so far, been very fair to me. No, I'm not a senior member of staff or a lackey. I am a humble, current teacher who is appreciative to a hand that feeds me and not a whining git. Prat
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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #76 on: February 16, 2007, 08:15:45 am »
Man you make little sense in your statements. Nobody gave me the job of defending the school I want to see the truth and not hear somebody like yourself trying to make something out of nothing. why don't you come up with something concrete about the school which you detest so much for some reason instead of picking on the Director who speaks very good English. You must have some grudge about something or you would not be writing stuff on this thread. Perhaps you would like to share it with us all.

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« Reply #77 on: February 16, 2007, 03:38:05 pm »
 ^^^^

why don't you come up with something concrete about the school which you detest so much for some reason

Hear hear!  <lo{<sr>

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« Reply #78 on: February 16, 2007, 06:32:13 pm »
I belled my mate from Oklahoma, and he tells me that the Univ. of Oklahoma at Norman is the premier university in the state, far better than the old agriculture uni in Stillwater (Ok. State), except for maybe agriculture.  He said that OU is not as good as Univ. of Texas at Austin, but still the best in Okalhoma.  Witch is neither here nor there.


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« Reply #79 on: February 16, 2007, 08:19:00 pm »
Ok State and U of Ok are accredited by the same folks. For all you Brits, Aussies and Kiwis not in the know, XXXXXX State University, where XXXX is the name of the state, is more often than not the land grant university in a state. What does that mean? Back in the 1800's, the federal government got a great idea to fund a system of state universities. Lackin' the money to do it, they came up with a cool deal. If a state opened an agricultural university, the feds would give a huge grant of land to the state. The state could sell the land or otherwise use it to fund the university.

Now, let's keep this on the topic of the school. Does it still suck?

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« Reply #80 on: February 17, 2007, 09:16:14 am »
Thanks for that Andy. Some people just don't know what they are talking about and then it gets sordid and pointless. Like to see what bawpengyang has a real gripe about. I feel sure that he hasn't had a conversation with the Director or he would know that her English is excellent. As far as I am concerned the school does not suck. Anyway what a waste of breath bawpengyang, nice attempt at putting more shame on the school but you lack the substance man.

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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao - updated.
« Reply #81 on: June 17, 2007, 09:08:44 pm »
It is true now, that this site has been effecting Udom school this year to a large degree now and they will and still not get ride of the main problem there.

First off the Head of the English department is so filled with notions that she is basically god at that school and department, and even has the current Popes picture over the back of her head to give her some notion of being a good person. But the staff there or teachers will flatly tell you, she is full of shit when she speaks to her.  They advise you to go instead to her newly appointed Assistant to seek help and guidance. His name is Hans and a nice an trust worthy person.

The other Philippine teachers do not like her and distrust her a lot and tell you to avoid her or spend as little time in her presence.  There was talk of one of her assistance going home in tears each day.

During the interviews for new teachers for the English Program which is a good program put badly managed.  She rejected many applicants based upon race (black, Latino, and Arab), religion (Muslim – she thought he was a terrorists and would blow up the school, and a Mormon), sexual preference and so on. The Arab man was asked about his ties to the southern Muslim militants, Bin Laden and how the Pope hates Muslims.

The list goes on. But she will not be there in a couple of years, since her retirement is coming up soon and will have to retire. The Principle may not get the idea on how effective this site is realy, but when parts of Udom program do fail, the owners will only need to look at the imcompatnace of the Principle and her Underlink, Ms. xxxxx and can her ass.
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Re: Udomsuksa School Ladprao
« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2007, 10:22:19 am »
Once again another crack at this school from an obviously well educated Native speaker(you can tell by the well written thread). What are you on about mate? What do you know that the rest of the teachers don't. The person in charge of admin is a Catholic and puts the picture of the pope behind her desk in the same way that some people put pictures of Christ or anything to do with Buddha on their wall. Hans has been there for a very long time and is not new. So Chucky get your facts right before you put such rubbish on this site

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« Reply #83 on: June 24, 2007, 07:02:47 pm »
Well, well. Udom hiring yet another brainless prat.

I have now left Udom so I suppose I can't be called Current Teacher now!! However, I DO want to say that this school will look after you if you keep your nose clean, do your work and be punctual. I was not a lacky, an a**e licker nor a grass or scab.

Why do people come to Thailand and expect to be treated any differently than they would in their own home countries? I have seen people refusing to come in on time, leave on time, do lesson plans, moan about this and that etc. If this were the UK, USA, Canada, NZ, Australia etc etc, they wouldn't even get in the door never mind being able to voice their opinions.If you are prepared to do an honest days work for a pretty decent salary, go to Udom. If not, stay at home.

Keep on truckin' lads.

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« Reply #84 on: July 02, 2007, 12:10:05 pm »
Yes mate good call. I have also left and was treated fair and square, did my job and in short did the same as I would back home. When is this school going in the caution zone? You can hardly call the Chucky comment a slur on the school. I recently had a call from the school asking if I was OK and if there was anything that they could do to help with my move to a new school in another area.

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« Reply #85 on: November 01, 2007, 01:01:16 pm »
Despite what aj and/or ct might think about me, my concern is for the school and the lack of leadership shown by the director. How is the school today? Don't really know too much other than their star teacher in Matayom got arrested two days ago for (charges allege) selling kiddy porn on the internet. His beautiful face appears in the literature/advertising of this school. This never had to be, but again, the director ignored the advice of the foreign director. Mr. PJ was allowed to work at Udom for over a year illegally. he did over 12 30 day visa runs and never produced one original document. Why? Everyone else has been dismissed if they cannot produce documents within 6 weeks or so. Just another black mark on the director. i like this school and the students and I have worked at this school longer than ajarn normal(gone!) and current teacher(gone!).

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« Reply #86 on: November 09, 2007, 10:15:17 pm »
bawpenyang, your information is totally incorrect. Paul was never 'arrested two days ago for (charges allege) selling kiddy porn on the internet.'. This information is just wrong. He was arrested for possession of indecent material i.e. 'normal/regular' porn and nothing to do with kids. Where do you get off spreading your lies? If you are just copying stuff from the media then you should learn a lesson from this. He has been charged with possession of indecent material. Please keep your facts straight.

Paul has held a valid WP with Udom Suksa for 3 years. He holds a masters degree in engineering, is that ok with you? Do you contend these facts? Do you have an axe to grind with Paul? Do you get your information from the gutter press? What is your issue?

Any complaints about the charge he is on, please turn up to court and see for yourself.

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« Reply #87 on: November 10, 2007, 07:29:32 am »
bawpenyang, your information is totally incorrect. Paul was never 'arrested two days ago for (charges allege) selling kiddy porn on the internet.'. This information is just wrong. He was arrested for possession of indecent material i.e. 'normal/regular' porn and nothing to do with kids. Where do you get off spreading your lies? If you are just copying stuff from the media then you should learn a lesson from this. He has been charged with possession of indecent material. Please keep your facts straight.

Paul has held a valid WP with Udom Suksa for 3 years. He holds a masters degree in engineering, is that ok with you? Do you contend these facts? Do you have an axe to grind with Paul? Do you get your information from the gutter press? What is your issue?

Any complaints about the charge he is on, please turn up to court and see for yourself.

Sorry, could you please confirm again these 4 facts below:

1) Fox News is gutter press.

2) Regardless of your answer to #1, the story here is pure BS.

3) Thai police have got nothing better to do than to hunt down farangs with the latest installment of "Me Luv U Long Time" series.

4) Regardless of your answer to #3, the head of Thailand's liaison office for Interpol is soooooooo bored that even he joins these "farang hunts" himself.

RSVP ASAP please
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« Reply #88 on: November 10, 2007, 09:49:23 am »
1) Yes, the Fox news is gutter press

2) The story IS pure BS

3) The Thai cops got it wrong on a tip off from a UK agency (who also got it wrong)

4) Interpol have never been involved in this case, they have never given information or been asked for any. There is no international agency currently helping the Thai police with the charges which have been laid (non involving children).

Ladies and gentlemen, this case is quite simple, if you doubt what I say please turn up in court and listen for yourselves. Paul has been charged with possession of indecent materials ('normal' porn) and not with any offence connected with children. ALL the news agencies are wrong. It seems they were tipped off before the arrest, wrote their stories then the real facts emerged! The Thai police charged him with the only thing they could which is the charge he will face on 19th December. The stories you have been reading are all BS, the real story is one of embarrassment and saving face by the authorities. As it stands interpol have not been involved.

As a teacher in Thailand Paul really does deserve a fairer hearing than some are giving him. Mistakes happen all the time wiith the authorities. Can we wait for a trail and conviction then judge the man on the facts of the case rather than the BS spread in the gutter press who got it all wrong on a tip off from the over zealous Thai cops (understandable they get excited in the current climate, but they still got it wrong).

On a final note, doesn't everyone on the planet, including those hill tribe people in northern Laos, those forgotten tribes of PNG and those strange tribes in the Amazon ALL know that Fox news is gutter, sensationalist crap?????? Wtf are you talking about???????????

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« Reply #89 on: November 10, 2007, 03:41:02 pm »
On a final note, doesn't everyone on the planet, including those hill tribe people in northern Laos, those forgotten tribes of PNG and those strange tribes in the Amazon ALL know that Fox news is gutter, sensationalist crap?????? Wtf are you talking about???????????

Not in my village where we get it couple of channels up from CNN, BBC and Bloomberg.

But, having said that, I agree that -knowing Thailand and Thai people- we shouldn't jump to conclusions. I would be most sympathetic to this person's case if it unravels the way you are stating (coz it could happen to any one of us). On the other hand though, you have to admit that the knee-jerk reaction from people who care about themselves and their profession would be exactly what you'd expect when it comes to pedophilia.

Do let us know about the future happenings please.

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« Reply #90 on: November 11, 2007, 12:25:45 am »
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« Reply #91 on: November 27, 2007, 09:54:26 am »
Once again someone is trying to drag the school through the mud without any reason other than to talk about a teacher at the school. When is this going to stop? Give the school a break will you and wait till you can come up with something about the school not a teacher. Let me recap, this site is on the side of the teachers right?

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« Reply #92 on: November 28, 2007, 04:22:33 pm »
Yep.  Very good point.  Let's try and keep it so guys  {-}

 

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