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Offline Geekboy

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The Eve of Destruction?
« on: February 27, 2007, 10:23:16 pm »
In the 1960's, it looked like everything was falling apart and people felt they were on the eve of destruction. It has been suggested that tw is on the eve of destruction. 40 years on, it sure don't look like we have destructed yet...so the song was missplaced fears...or is it? Have we already been destroyed?


If interested, here are the lyrics to Eve of Destruction:
The eastern world, it is exploding
Violence flarin’, bullets loadin’
You’re old enough to kill, but not for votin’
You don’t believe in war, but what’s that gun you’re totin’
And even the Jordan River has bodies floatin’

But you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

Don’t you understand what I’m tryin’ to say
Can’t you feel the fears I’m feelin’ today?
If the button is pushed, there’s no runnin’ away
There’ll be no one to save, with the world in a grave
[Take a look around ya boy, it's bound to scare ya boy]

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

Yeah, my blood’s so mad feels like coagulatin’
I’m sitting here just contemplatin’
I can’t twist  the truth, it knows no regulation.
Handful of senators don’t pass legislation
And marches alone can’t bring integration
When human respect is disintegratin’
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin’

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

Think of all the hate there is in Red China
Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama
You may leave here for 4 days in space
But when you return, it’s the same old place
The poundin’ of the drums, the pride and disgrace
You can bury your dead, but don’t leave a trace
Hate your next-door neighbor, but don’t forget to say grace
And… tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend
You don’t believe
We’re on the eve
Of destruction
Mm, no no, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2007, 01:42:24 pm »
Thanks to Geekboy for that blast from the past, by Barry McGuire.

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2007, 02:54:23 pm »
McGuire.........wasn't he the druggy in Grange Hill?

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2007, 05:11:24 pm »
That was Zammo McGuire


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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2007, 08:34:22 am »
ah, of course it was.................just say no!

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2007, 09:23:39 am »
Barry McGuire that is a blast from the past. Here is a little info about him.

He was born in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma and moved to California in early childhood. At age 16 he joined the United States Navy, but was discharged ten months later for being 'under age'.

After living as a drifter in his late teens and early twenties, McGuire got a job singing in a bar. In 1961, he released his first single called "The Tree" which was not a hit and formed a duo with Barry Kane. They both joined the New Christy Minstrels in the Spring of 1962. In 1963, McGuire wrote the Christys’ first and greatest hit single: “Green, Green.” He left the Christys in January, 1965, after recording the album "Cowboys and Indians", however, on the 1965 album "Chim Chim Cher-ee", he sang only on the title cut.

In the 1980s, McGuire left the music industry, and settled for a time in New Zealand with his New Zealander wife, Mari. He returned to the United States in the 1990s, teaming up with Terry Talbot and recording as Talbot McGuire. The duo released four albums between 1996 and 2000.

As of 2006, he takes engagements which include a few songs and talks on a mixture of topics, by both McGuire and his wife. The McGuires currently reside in Fresno, California.

Eve of Destruction" is a protest song written by P.F. Sloan in 1965. Several artists have recorded it, but the best-known recording was by Barry McGuire. This recording was made between July 12 and July 15, 1965 and released by Dunhill Records. The accompanying musicians were top-tier LA session men: P.F. Sloan on guitar, Hal Blaine (of Phil Spector's "Wrecking Crew") on drums, and Larry Knechtel on bass. The vocal track was thrown on as a rough mix and was not intended to be the final version, but a copy of the recording "leaked" out to a DJ, who began playing it.1 The song was an instant hit and as a result the more polished vocal track that was at first envisioned was never recorded.

In the first week of its release, the single was at number thirty on the Cash Box charts, and number 103 on the Billboard charts. By August 12, Dunhill released the LP, Barry McGuire Featuring Eve of Destruction. The LP reached its peak of number thirty-seven on the Billboard album chart during the week ending September 25. That same day the single went to number one on both charts. McGuire was never again to break into the top forty of the Billboard Hot 100.

The song had initially been presented to The Byrds as a Dylanesque potential single, but they rejected it. The Turtles, another LA group who often recorded The Byrds' discarded or rejected material, recorded a version instead. Their version was issued as an album track shortly before McGuire's version was cut. It eventually hit number 100 on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1970.

The song is a grave warning of imminent apocalypse, and considered by some to be the epitome of a protest song. It expressed the frustrations and fears of young people in the age of the Cold War, Vietnam, the nuclear arms race, and the civil rights movement.

The American media helped popularize the song by using it as an example of everything that was wrong with the youth of that time.[citation needed] The song also drew flak from both conservatives and liberals. On the conservative right, a group called The Spokesmen released an answer record entitled "The Dawn of Correction". A few months later, Barry Sadler released the patriotic "Ballad of the Green Berets". The Temptations' song "Ball of Confusion (That's What the World is Today)" mentions the song title.

In the late 1970s, Los Angeles punk band The Dickies recorded a cover of Eve of Destruction. New Wave group Red Rockers covered the song in their 1984 album "Schizoprenic Circus." Johnny Thunders has also frequently covered the song in concert, while veteran Canadian punk outfit D.O.A. also covered the song on their 2004 album Live Free Or Die. The song has also been covered by Australian band Screaming Jets on their 1997 album World Gone Crazy. Left-wing Christian punk band Crashdog also covered it on their album "Cashists, Fascists, and Other Fungus."

The song was briefly featured on Stephen King's 1994 miniseries The Stand. It also appeared in The Simpsons episode GABF16, "The Girl Who Slept Too Little," and was also featured in Michael Winterbottom's 1997 film Welcome to Sarajevo. A Joey Scarbury cover was played repeatedly in the original airing of the Greatest American Hero episode "Operation Spoil Sport" to encourage the hero to prevent an automated nuclear strike being triggered by a renegade U.S. general (the aliens who provided the hero's super-powers commandeered his car radio and tuned it to stations playing the song). Due to rights issues, the song does not appear in the DVD version of the episode.

The song was banned by some radio stations in the USA as well as by the BBC and Radio Scotland

My dad told me about him. It is going to be nice to have a bit of a break from the students. It has not been any different teaching them but the whole term has been riddled with things going on outside in the big bad world.

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2007, 12:50:38 pm »
Very interesting AjN, whattya know about Zammo..................I'd love to know what he's up to now!

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2007, 08:41:37 pm »
What about Barry McGuigan ....


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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2007, 10:27:11 am »
He started his professional boxing career on May 10, 1981, beating Selwyn Bell by a knockout in two rounds in Dublin. After another win, he suffered his first setback, losing a hotly disputed decision (which had him in tears) to Peter Eubank over eight rounds at Wembley, England.

After his first loss, McGuigan notched up two more wins, including one over Terry Pizzarro, and then he was given a rematch with Eubank. The second time around, McGuigan prevailed, by a knockout in the eighth round.

In 1982, McGuigan won eight fights, seven by knockout. One of these, however, almost destroyed his career and his life. Opposed by Nigeria's Young Ali on June 14, 1982, McGuigan won by a knockout in six rounds; Ali fell into a coma from which he never recovered, dying six months later in his homeland. According to the book The Ring Boxing The 20th Century, this affected McGuigan so much that he wasn't sure he wanted to keep on boxing.

However, he did continue boxing, and in 1983, he won four fights, including his first trip to fight outside Europe (when he beat Samuel Meck by a knockout in six in Ontario, Canada), before getting his first try at a title. On November 16, Italy's Valerio Nati defended his European Featherweight belt versus McGuigan in Belfast, and McGuigan won the crown with a knockout in the sixth round. He then became the number one Featherweight challenger in the World Boxing Association.

In 1984, he won five bouts, all by knockout. Among the fighters he beat were former world title challengers Jose Caba and Felipe Orozco. He also beat fringe contender Paul DeVorce to keep his chance at a Word Championship attempt alive.

In 1985, McGuigan met former world Featherweight champion Juan Laporte and won by a decision after ten rounds. Following one more win, he finally got his world title try when the WBA world featherweight champion, Eusebio Pedroza of Panama, came to London to put his title on the line at Loftus Road football stadium. McGuigan became the champion by dropping Pedroza in round seven and winning a unanimous fifteen-round decision in a fight refereed by hall of fame referee Stanley Christodoulou. Already a national hero in Ireland, McGuigan and his wife were feted in a public reception through the streets of Belfast that attracted several hundred thousand spectators. He also earned promotional deals such as a video game named Barry McGuigan Boxing, which won critical acclaim (awarded a "Sizzler!" in Zzap64). Later that year, he was named BBC Sports Personality of the Year, becoming the first (and so far only) person not born in the United Kingdom to win the award.

McGuigan made his first defence against Bernard Taylor, who was stopped in the ninth round, and then against Danilo Cabrera, who got knocked out in fourteen rounds. This proved to be a controversial stoppage: The fight was stopped after the challenger bent over to pick up his mouthpiece after losing it, a practice that is allowed in many countries but not in Ireland. Cabrera was not aware of this, and the fight was stopped. Although Cabrera's corner protested the outcome, McGuigan remained the winner by a knockout. This fight marked the end of McGuigan's extremely short peak as world champion.

For his next defence, he went to Las Vegas in June of 1986, where he faced the relatively unknown Stevie Cruz from Texas in what proved a gruelling fifteen-round title bout under a blazing sun. McGuigan held a lead halfway through, but suffered dehydration because of the extreme heat and wilted near the end, being dropped in rounds ten and fifteen. He eventually lost a close decision and his world belt, which he was never to reclaim. After the fight, McGuigan required hospitalisation because of his dehydrated state.

After that fight he retired, partly due to the death of his father in 1987. He used to say his father was his greatest inspiration and, after his death, apparently felt no reason to continue boxing. However, he returned to the ring between 1988 and 1989, beating former world title challengers Nicky Perez and Francisco Tomas Da Cruz before losing to future challenger Jim McDonnell by a technical knockout (cuts) in four rounds. McGuigan then retired permanently from boxing.

His record was 32 wins and 3 losses, with 26 wins by knockout. In January 2005, McGuigan was elected into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. Some experts have questioned the level of competition he fought during his career, observing that he did not meet the WBC Champion Azumah Nelson of Ghana, whom noted commentator Jack McGowan of the Belfast Telegraph is convinced McGuigan would not have beaten. However, former great Sir Henry Cooper believes that McGuigan at his peak was one of the best fighters ever to have emerged from Britain and Ireland.


[edit] After Boxing
McGuigan attempted to establish an association to protect the rights of boxers against what he, and others, considered omnipotent managers and promoters. In this regard, he had had a difficult time during his own career. A very close relationship with his manager deteriorated badly over time and led to a successful libel case against him by his former manager several years later.

In the 1980s he was a chat show host on BBC1.

McGuigan currently lives in London with his wife and children, one of which (Shane) goes to school at The King's School Canterbury and looks like becoming a professional boxer. Barry McGuigan currently works as a boxing commentator for SKY. He has tried his hand at acting, appearing in the movie Malicious Intent in 2000. He has a band, of which the Northern Irish actor, Adrian Dunbar, is also a member. Two biographies of McGuigan have been written.

More recently, fellow Clones native and boxer Kevin McBride has honoured McGuigan by adopting the nickname The Clones Colossus

You asked for it Hero.

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2007, 10:31:34 am »
  Actor Lee McDonald
   DOB: 21 June 1968
TV: NOAH'S CASTLE (Southern); SQUAD (Thames); Zammo Maguire in GRANGE HILL (BBC 1982-1987); THE BILL (Thames 1988); RESPECT (Yorkshire 1996); TRISHA (Anglia 2001)

FILMS: MEMOIRS OF A SURVIVOR

YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW... Lee's mum Maureen was one of the chaperones on Grange Hill. Although Lee did not star in Grange Hill until 1982, a photo of him featured in the 1981 Grange Hill Annual, in a feature about the Anna Scher theatre.
SCHOOL: Central Foundation Boy's School

HOBBIES: Boxing. Lee swapped acting for a career in the ring after Grange Hill, but sadly a car crash ended his sporting dreams.
 

FAME COSTS... There were several downsides to appearing in Grange Hill for Lee. He was once beaten up because of the show, and was ejected freom the British Museum after being chased by a mob of screaming girls!

...ON THAT ROMANCE Unfortunately there was never any romance in real life between Lee and Melissa Wilks (Jackie Wright). However, Lee fancied Melissa like mad, which is why they were paired up on screen. These days, Lee has not married but is in a relationship.
TOP OF THE FLOPS... Lee's brother sang on Keith Harris' hit single Orville's Song in the 1980s. Both Orville's Song and Just Say No! were voted the worst top 10 songs of all time, prompting mum Maureen to comment "I can't believe I've got two sons who were part of two of the worst records ever"...(!)

WHERE IS HE NOW? Running a key cutting shop in London. Lee learned the trade while filming Grange Hill, and opened his business six years ago.

There is your man from Grange Hill.

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2007, 04:31:12 pm »
AjN,

your a scholar and a gent, I'll sleep soundly tonight in the knowledge that our Zammo is all reet, cheers.

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2007, 05:04:23 pm »
What happened to Gripper?

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2007, 10:15:15 am »
As for the actor, unlike Todd Carty (EastEnders, The Bill), Brian Capron (Coronation Street) and Suzanne Tully (EastEnders again), he has been virtually invisible to the public since 1985. In 1998 he revealed, "I'm concentrating on independent films, but what I'd really like to do is play an interesting bad guy in EastEnders." Sadly, Savage, a fine actor who would be well suited to the role, has been largely neglected, only landing a few very small parts in indie films and the theatre.

The last I heard of him he was seemingly broke, perhaps shades of what would have happened to Gripper in real life.
 He is having a legal battle with his landlady and could face eviction.

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2007, 11:22:24 am »
Thanks!

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Re: The Eve of Destruction?
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2007, 11:43:44 am »
AN, who did Brian Capron play?

And any idea what happened to rolly-polly Rowland Patterson? I think his name was Rowland, the tupster who was always eating and getting the shit kicked outta him, can't remember ever seeing him in owt else.


 

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